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Linus De Meyere

What's the best/most complete Class Browser?

Hey,

Is there any overview of the class browsers available in Pharo? It seems there are a few, and I'm not quite sure which one is the most complete these days. Moreover, some of the functionality I find in one browser (alphabetize) is missing in another.

Maybe it's just a matter of taste, but since I'm not yet very familiar with the Pharo environment, I thougt I'd better ask around.

Greetz,

Linus

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Alexandre Bergel

Re: What's the best/most complete Class Browser?

This is a matter that we haven't reached a consensus yet. Some people
prefer the O2 Package Browser. This browser gives you a pretty good
feeling of a package structured image with folding/unfolding and
hierarchical views. Some may find this browser slow however.

The remaining of pharo users favor snappiness, and prefer
OBSystemBrowserAdaptor.

Cheers,
Alexandre

On 3 Jan 2010, at 13:49, Linus De Meyere wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Is there any overview of the class browsers available in Pharo? It
> seems there are a few, and I'm not quite sure which one is the most
> complete these days. Moreover, some of the functionality I find in
> one browser (alphabetize) is missing in another.
>
> Maybe it's just a matter of taste, but since I'm not yet very
> familiar with the Pharo environment, I thougt I'd better ask around.
>
> Greetz,
>
> Linus
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Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: What's the best/most complete Class Browser?

Hi Linus. I like you name. I hope you know which is the best/most complete OS ;)

You asked a really complicated question. I will give you just my opinion:

OB advantages:
- It is most of the time quite stable
- It has good integration with refactoring tools (because the developer is the same -> Lukas)
- It is fast enough.

OB disadvantages:
- You don't have package support.

O2 advantages:
- It is nicer that OB
- Package support
- Cool little tools like running the test clicking in the circul and having the circul with black, green or other colors depending the running, etc.

O2 disadvantages:
- It overrides and depends of OB stuff (we hope this will be fixed)
- Sometimes I found it quite unstable. More likely the Refactoring integration
- Quite slow. This is due to the fact how packages are managed (I think) and Stef is trying to build a replace for this :)

In summary, I like more the O2 and I would like to use that, but for the things I told you as disadvantages and finished using OB.

Cheers

Mariano

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

This is a matter that we haven't reached a consensus yet. Some people
prefer the O2 Package Browser. This browser gives you a pretty good
feeling of a package structured image with folding/unfolding and
hierarchical views. Some may find this browser slow however.

The remaining of pharo users favor snappiness, and prefer
OBSystemBrowserAdaptor.

Cheers,
Alexandre

On 3 Jan 2010, at 13:49, Linus De Meyere wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Is there any overview of the class browsers available in Pharo? It
> seems there are a few, and I'm not quite sure which one is the most
> complete these days. Moreover, some of the functionality I find in
> one browser (alphabetize) is missing in another.
>
> Maybe it's just a matter of taste, but since I'm not yet very
> familiar with the Pharo environment, I thougt I'd better ask around.
>
> Greetz,
>
> Linus

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Stan Shepherd

Re: What's the best/most complete Class Browser?

Mariano Martinez Peck wrote

Hi Linus. I like you name. I hope you know which is the best/most complete
OS ;)

You asked a really complicated question. I will give you just my opinion:

OB advantages:
- It is most of the time quite stable
- It has good integration with refactoring tools (because the developer is
the same -> Lukas)
- It is fast enough.

OB disadvantages:
- You don't have package support.

O2 advantages:
- It is nicer that OB
- Package support
- Cool little tools like running the test clicking in the circul and having
the circul with black, green or other colors depending the running, etc.

O2 disadvantages:
- It overrides and depends of OB stuff (we hope this will be fixed)
- Sometimes I found it quite unstable. More likely the Refactoring
integration
- Quite slow. This is due to the fact how packages are managed (I think) and
Stef is trying to build a replace for this :)

In summary, I like more the O2 and I would like to use that, but for the
things I told you as disadvantages and finished using OB.

Cheers

Mariano

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu>wrote:

> This is a matter that we haven't reached a consensus yet. Some people
> prefer the O2 Package Browser. This browser gives you a pretty good
> feeling of a package structured image with folding/unfolding and
> hierarchical views. Some may find this browser slow however.
>
> The remaining of pharo users favor snappiness, and prefer
> OBSystemBrowserAdaptor.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 3 Jan 2010, at 13:49, Linus De Meyere wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > Is there any overview of the class browsers available in Pharo? It
> > seems there are a few, and I'm not quite sure which one is the most
> > complete these days. Moreover, some of the functionality I find in
> > one browser (alphabetize) is missing in another.
> >
> > Maybe it's just a matter of taste, but since I'm not yet very
> > familiar with the Pharo environment, I thougt I'd better ask around.
> >
> > Greetz,
> >
> > Linus
>

Hi Linus, I have had exactly the same experience as Mariano. I would really recommend Lint/Code critics and Refactoring browser to help learn Pharo ways- a bit like having your own pair programming partner at all times. For now , that seems to mean OB.

To get an image with these all working together, look at:
http://www.seaside.st/distributions/Seaside-3.0a5.app.zip
(note this is not an official release, but it is very stable).

To make the ctl-c, ctl-v keys work (at least on Linux), you need to run
InputEventSensor duplicateControlAndAltKeys: true

And if you want it to look like the books/tutorials, change the theme to Watery 2 from the preference browser.

Hopefully the browsers will soon be reconciled with each other.

...Stan

Linus De Meyere

Re: What's the best/most complete Class Browser?

Thanks guys, this really helps.

2010/1/3 Stan Shepherd <[hidden email]>

Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>
> Hi Linus. I like you name. I hope you know which is the best/most complete
> OS ;)

For sure I know that :-) It has really amazed me how portable the Smalltalk environments are.

>
> You asked a really complicated question. I will give you just my opinion:
>
> OB advantages:
> - It is most of the time quite stable
> - It has good integration with refactoring tools (because the developer is
> the same -> Lukas)
> - It is fast enough.
>
> OB disadvantages:
> - You don't have package support.
>
> O2 advantages:
> - It is nicer that OB
> - Package support
> - Cool little tools like running the test clicking in the circul and
> having
> the circul with black, green or other colors depending the running, etc.
>
> O2 disadvantages:
> - It overrides and depends of OB stuff (we hope this will be fixed)
> - Sometimes I found it quite unstable. More likely the Refactoring
> integration
> - Quite slow. This is due to the fact how packages are managed (I think)
> and
> Stef is trying to build a replace for this :)
>
>
> In summary, I like more the O2 and I would like to use that, but for the
> things I told you as disadvantages and finished using OB.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mariano
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Alexandre Bergel
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>> This is a matter that we haven't reached a consensus yet. Some people
>> prefer the O2 Package Browser. This browser gives you a pretty good
>> feeling of a package structured image with folding/unfolding and
>> hierarchical views. Some may find this browser slow however.
>>

>> The remaining of pharo users favor snappiness, and prefer
>> OBSystemBrowserAdaptor.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>> On 3 Jan 2010, at 13:49, Linus De Meyere wrote:
>>
>> > Hey,
>> >
>> > Is there any overview of the class browsers available in Pharo? It
>> > seems there are a few, and I'm not quite sure which one is the most
>> > complete these days. Moreover, some of the functionality I find in
>> > one browser (alphabetize) is missing in another.
>> >
>> > Maybe it's just a matter of taste, but since I'm not yet very
>> > familiar with the Pharo environment, I thougt I'd better ask around.
>> >
>> > Greetz,
>> >
>> > Linus
>>
>

Hi Linus, I have had exactly the same experience as Mariano. I would really
recommend Lint/Code critics and Refactoring browser to help learn Pharo
ways- a bit like having your own pair programming partner at all times. For
now , that seems to mean OB.

I like the metaphor of using these tools as if they are your pairs :-)

To get an image with these all working together, look at:
http://www.seaside.st/distributions/Seaside-3.0a5.app.zip
http://www.seaside.st/distributions/Seaside-3.0a5.app.zip
(note this is not an official release, but it is very stable).

To make the ctl-c, ctl-v keys work (at least on Linux), you need to run
InputEventSensor duplicateControlAndAltKeys: true

And if you want it to look like the books/tutorials, change the theme to
Watery 2 from the preference browser.

As for now I stick with the Standard Squeak Theme. The colors of the windows really help organizing the workspace. Thanks for the tip anyway!

Hopefully the browsers will soon be reconciled with each other.

...Stan

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