What's the problem people? :)

> Alert to Pharaos: This is a cross post! (hehe)
>
> I just wanted to say (for whatever that is worth) that I like Pharo.  
> And
> I like Squeak.org. And I like everyone doing stuff in/for/on
> Squeak/Pharo/Smalltalk/Huemul whatever.
>
> I have Pharo on my disk. I just started playing in it for a toy  
> project
> involving RB AST, RoelTyper etc.

> Hi Pharaos (and Squeak-dev)! :)
>
> Alert to Pharaos: This is a cross post! (hehe)
>
> I just wanted to say (for whatever that is worth) that I like Pharo.  
> And
> I like Squeak.org. And I like everyone doing stuff in/for/on
> Squeak/Pharo/Smalltalk/Huemul whatever.
>
> I have Pharo on my disk. I just started playing in it for a toy  
> project
> involving RB AST, RoelTyper etc.
>
> But I do all Gjallar work on 3.10.2/LPF right now, it takes time  
> moving
> a large project to a different baseline, so Gjallar will probably be  
> on
> 3.10.2 for a while. But nothing prevents us from testing out Pharo  
> later
> on - whatever works the best I say. Gjallar is also 95% ported to GS
> these days.
>
> I agree with Keith/Matthew that making good tools that can *span*
> different forks/communities *must* be a good thing for us all to have.
> All tools don't need to be spanning, but it doesn't hurt if *some*  
> are -
> right?
>
> I *also* agree with Pharo people that hey, Pharo is a fork - we/you  
> can
> do whatever we/you like! And that is good - it's the strength of  
> Pharo.
> If Pharo diverts too much in "base stuff" it might turn into a  
> weakness
> - but we just don't know these things, it is still to be seen.
>
> It is all about balance, benefits, etc. And we don't need to get angry
> with each other do we? :) Trust me, it just burns your energy!
>
> I have code that seems to be doing fine in Pharo - SocketStream  
> comes to
> mind. I know Pharo seem to be more inclined to use Universes than SM -
> fine with me, no problem.
>
> I hope to move SM forward in some way, and I hope it can still be
> loaded/used from within Pharo - even if it gets thrown out soon (I  
> think
> I read something about that). I also intend to use both Pharo,  
> Squeak or
> whatever works best for my different tasks.
>
> And finally I hope to revive DeltaStreams and make that work in  
> Pharo as
> well as most other Squeak flavors.
>
> We are all Squeakers, right? :)
>
> regards, Göran
>
> PS. I am not sure why I am so damn cheerful, perhaps it is the SURGE I
> seem to feel in the Squeak community - so many things going on all  
> over
> the place... ;)
>
>
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>> Alert to Pharaos: This is a cross post! (hehe)
>>
>> I just wanted to say (for whatever that is worth) that I like Pharo.
>> And
>> I like Squeak.org. And I like everyone doing stuff in/for/on
>> Squeak/Pharo/Smalltalk/Huemul whatever.
>>
>> I have Pharo on my disk. I just started playing in it for a toy
>> project
>> involving RB AST, RoelTyper etc.
>
> I got (not tested) a new visitor for RB AST (elf on squeaksource)
>
>> But I do all Gjallar work on 3.10.2/LPF right now, it takes time
>> moving
>> a large project to a different baseline, so Gjallar will probably be
>> on
>> 3.10.2 for a while. But nothing prevents us from testing out Pharo
>> later
>> on - whatever works the best I say. Gjallar is also 95% ported to GS
>> these days.
>
> sounds good.
>
>> I agree with Keith/Matthew that making good tools that can *span*
>> different forks/communities *must* be a good thing for us all to have.
>> All tools don't need to be spanning, but it doesn't hurt if *some*
>> are -
>> right?
>
> Exact. This is why I wrote a chapter on Installer for the new pharo
> book :)
>
>> I *also* agree with Pharo people that hey, Pharo is a fork - we/you
>> can
>> do whatever we/you like! And that is good - it's the strength of
>> Pharo.
>> If Pharo diverts too much in "base stuff" it might turn into a
>> weakness
>> - but we just don't know these things, it is still to be seen.
>
> Exact
>
>> It is all about balance, benefits, etc. And we don't need to get angry
>> with each other do we? :) Trust me, it just burns your energy!
>
> Exact this is why we did pharo :)
> to stop arguing but doing instead: but you know us :)
>
>> I have code that seems to be doing fine in Pharo - SocketStream
>> comes to
>> mind.
>
> :) the power of MIT :)
> In fact I do not know.
>
>> I know Pharo seem to be more inclined to use Universes than SM -
>> fine with me, no problem.
>>
>> I hope to move SM forward in some way, and I hope it can still be
>> loaded/used from within Pharo - even if it gets thrown out soon (I
>> think
>> I read something about that).
> Yes I read that too :)
>
>> I also intend to use both Pharo, Squeak or
>> whatever works best for my different tasks.
>
> Ok if you want to have some feedback on SM we can take that offline.
>
>> And finally I hope to revive DeltaStreams and make that work in
>> Pharo as
>> well as most other Squeak flavors.
>>
>> We are all Squeakers, right? :)
>>
>> regards, Göran
>>
>> PS. I am not sure why I am so damn cheerful,
>
> May be you were always like that ;) I do not know I was kind not that
> cheerful most of the
> time :)
>
>> perhaps it is the SURGE I
>> seem to feel in the Squeak community - so many things going on all
>> over
>> the place... ;)
>
> I do not know. We just started to move and to move at our pace
> with a shared vision built on our past experience and communication.
> Even our name and logo
> means what we want to build: a warm beam of light in dark tempest nights
> where any Smalltalker can find a place if he wants.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>>> Hi Pharaos (and Squeak-dev)! :)
>>
>> Hi goran
>>
>> are you planning to come finally to esug that we drink beer together?
>> This year there will
>> be a wine tasting social event :)
>>
> I hope i can join you :)

>>
>>>> Hi Pharaos (and Squeak-dev)! :)
>>>
>>> Hi goran
>>>
>>> are you planning to come finally to esug that we drink beer together?
>>> This year there will
>>> be a wine tasting social event :)
>>>
>> I hope i can join you :)
>
> normally we will have a lecture and practice to taste wine
> Lecture made by an expert in wine :)
> And this will be normally for any ESUG attendee.
>

>>>> normally we will have a lecture and practice to taste wine
>>> Lecture made by an expert in wine :)
>>> And this will be normally for any ESUG attendee.
>>>
>> i more concerned meeting you and Goran,
>
> Me too
>
>> than tasting a wine.
>> I'm not drinking :)
>
> me neither but food will be good :)
> And I want to get better at tasting wine :)

> Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>  
>> Hi Göran,
>>
>> I think this is a good and constructive way to look at Squeak/Pharo!
>>
>> Re SqueakMap. We planned to remove SM from the core (doesn't need to  
>> be part of an image that gets deployed), but make it loadable again  
>> from the (not yet existing) universe. The only dependency I see is on  
>> MC (MCSMCacheRepository), and a few overrides. Is there already a  
>> loadable package for SM?
>>    
>
> Well... yes... but I honestly don't recall the incantation! :) There is
> a small doit that sucks it down and installs it. No, not packaged as a
> simple MC - because it was meant to install in older Squeaks you know.
>
> Will look into it.
>
> regards, Göran
>  

> Göran Krampe wrote:
>> Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>>  
>>> Hi Göran,
>>>
>>> I think this is a good and constructive way to look at Squeak/Pharo!
>>>
>>> Re SqueakMap. We planned to remove SM from the core (doesn't need to  
>>> be part of an image that gets deployed), but make it loadable again  
>>> from the (not yet existing) universe. The only dependency I see is on  
>>> MC (MCSMCacheRepository), and a few overrides. Is there already a  
>>> loadable package for SM?
>>>    
>> Well... yes... but I honestly don't recall the incantation! :) There is
>> a small doit that sucks it down and installs it. No, not packaged as a
>> simple MC - because it was meant to install in older Squeaks you know.
>>
>> Will look into it.
>>
>> regards, Göran
>>  
> Its not as simple as you might think. You will probably be all right in
> an image which doesn't have it installed. I have added a utility script
> to Installer expressly for loading Squeakmap. To invoke it directly use:
>
> Installer install: 'LevelPlayingField-UpdateSqueakMap'.
>
> The code that this runs is:
>
>
>     Installer wsm addPackage: 'SqueakMap2 base'; bootstrap; install.
>     Installer wsm addPackage: 'SqueakMap2 loader'; bootstrap; install.
>     Installer wsm addPackage: 'SqueakMap2 base'; install.
>     Installer wsm addPackage: 'SqueakMap2 loader'; install.
>
> the #bootstrap call, results in the mcz being installed with
> MczInstaller from the source.st file.
>
> Keith