Which fonts for Pharo 1.1 ?
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Which fonts for Pharo 1.1 ?
 
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Hi guys. Last Pharo 1.0 images have the TrueType fonts. Now, in Pharo 1.1 Cores we have a StrikeFonts. We have two possibilites:
1) let those (strike fonts) fonts also for the dev image 2) Continue to put TrueType in Pharo dev I am all ears. Cheers Mariano _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On May 10, 2010, at 4:01 10PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> Hi guys. Last Pharo 1.0 images have the TrueType fonts. Now, in Pharo 1.1 Cores we have a StrikeFonts. We have two possibilites: > > 1) let those (strike fonts) fonts also for the dev image > 2) Continue to put TrueType in Pharo dev > > I am all ears. > > Cheers > > Mariano Most current VM's have all BitBlt fixes in, so StrikeFonts look ok when dragged (not when rotated though, but that is image-side). The 5.0 line of Mac VM's does not have a working FTPlugin. So, depends on whether you favor speed and opening with (still in beta) VMs reliably, or a wider availability of Fonts to choose from. Rendering-wise, there shouldn't be any differences outside the inherent ones. Cheers, Henry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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In reply to this post by Mariano Martinez Peck
First, I am far from the best person to make the
decision. That said, it would be nice to have the ability to use true type
fonts. My move from Windows will not be complete until I have arranged for
a home-grown font to produce symbols on paper (but I'm confusing you and
scaring, make that terrifying<g>, myself).
While I want to be able to use tt fonts, I am not sure
whether I care about them being used in the IDE. The things I want are
nice looking fonts (Pharo has long since spoiled me for anything less) and fast
rendering. If strike fonts look good and are faster than tt, that might be
the way to go.
I'll shut up now and let people who know something
about this comment on it.
Bill
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:01 AM To: Pharo Development Subject: [Pharo-project] Which fonts for Pharo 1.1 ? 1) let those (strike fonts) fonts also for the dev image 2) Continue to put TrueType in Pharo dev I am all ears. Cheers Mariano _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On May 10, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi guys. Last Pharo 1.0 images have the TrueType fonts. Now, in Pharo 1.1 Cores we have a StrikeFonts. We have two possibilites: > > 1) let those (strike fonts) fonts also for the dev image 1) and people can load TT if they want. > 2) Continue to put TrueType in Pharo dev > > I am all ears. > > Cheers > > Mariano > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On 10 May 2010, at 19:15, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> > On May 10, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> Hi guys. Last Pharo 1.0 images have the TrueType fonts. Now, in >> Pharo 1.1 Cores we have a StrikeFonts. We have two possibilites: >> >> 1) let those (strike fonts) fonts also for the dev image > 1) > > and people can load TT if they want. I agree. It also makes distributing images easier. Cheers, Doru > > >> 2) Continue to put TrueType in Pharo dev >> >> I am all ears. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com "Be rather willing to give than demanding to get." _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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OK...I like 1) also, but I would care about:
a) Explain and document somewhere how people can install and make truetype to work b) Use the VMs that have the fix to issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1803 Cheers Mariano On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Good point.
Doru On 10 May 2010, at 22:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > OK...I like 1) also, but I would care about: > > a) Explain and document somewhere how people can install and make > truetype to work > b) Use the VMs that have the fix to issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1803 > > Cheers > > Mariano > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> > wrote: > On 10 May 2010, at 19:15, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > > On May 10, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > Hi guys. Last Pharo 1.0 images have the TrueType fonts. Now, in > Pharo 1.1 Cores we have a StrikeFonts. We have two possibilites: > > 1) let those (strike fonts) fonts also for the dev image > 1) > > and people can load TT if they want. > > I agree. It also makes distributing images easier. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > > > 2) Continue to put TrueType in Pharo dev > > I am all ears. > > Cheers > > Mariano > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Be rather willing to give than demanding to get." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On May 10, 2010, at 10:15 02PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: OK...I like 1) also, but I would care about: Please call it FreeType. Although the Freetype plugin (the interface to, and user of, you call TrueType) supports using TrueType fonts, it would be nice to be able to disambiguate it from the TrueType-Fonts/Support packages, which is something different entirely: - Parser for TT-files in Smalltak, which is kind of cool. F.ex. I had a hard time deciphering the values given by the FreeType plugin primitives (at least without RTF external Manual), TTFontReader made getting understandable values directly from the font file easy :) - Glyph renderer using Balloon, which is not that cool as the resulting graphics are too weak. Cheers, Henry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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hi Henrik. Thanks for the clarification. As you can see, my knowledge about fonts is almost nil.
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may be we should write that on the book henrik would like to write some paragraph on fonts for dummies like us.
Stef On May 11, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Henrik Johansen wrote: > On May 10, 2010, at 10:15 02PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> OK...I like 1) also, but I would care about: >> >> a) Explain and document somewhere how people can install and make truetype to work >> b) Use the VMs that have the fix to issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1803 >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: >> On 10 May 2010, at 19:15, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >> >> On May 10, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> Hi guys. Last Pharo 1.0 images have the TrueType fonts. Now, in Pharo 1.1 Cores we have a StrikeFonts. We have two possibilites: >> >> 1) let those (strike fonts) fonts also for the dev image >> 1) >> >> and people can load TT if they want. >> >> I agree. It also makes distributing images easier. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> >> >> 2) Continue to put TrueType in Pharo dev > > > PS. > Please call it FreeType. > Although the Freetype plugin (the interface to, and user of, you call TrueType) supports using TrueType fonts, it would be nice to be able to disambiguate it from the TrueType-Fonts/Support packages, which is something different entirely: > - Parser for TT-files in Smalltak, which is kind of cool. F.ex. I had a hard time deciphering the values given by the FreeType plugin primitives (at least without RTF external Manual), TTFontReader made getting understandable values directly from the font file easy :) > - Glyph renderer using Balloon, which is not that cool as the resulting graphics are too weak. > > Cheers, > Henry > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On May 11, 2010, at 10:37 16AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > may be we should write that on the book henrik would like to write some paragraph on fonts for dummies like us. > > Stef I would need an account first then :) Cheers, Henry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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I'd strongly argue to have true type fonts:
* when you try to make something look good, you don't impair the ability to use fonts On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Henrik Johansen <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On May 11, 2010, at 10:37 16AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> may be we should write that on the book henrik would like to write some paragraph on fonts for dummies like us. >> >> Stef > > I would need an account first then :) > > Cheers, > Henry > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On 12.05.2010 15:51, Richard Durr wrote:
> I'd strongly argue to have true type fonts: > * when you try to make something look good, you don't impair the > ability to use fonts Right. But when you also try to make something which: - Works the same when you move an image between multiple platforms - Should be small in size (the DejaVu fonts shipped with 1.0 to satisfy #1 takes ~4MB zipped, 9 unzipped ) - Runs reasonably on slower machines Providing TrueType fonts by default might not still be the best default (although the support for using them is not removed) So as always, it's a trade-off. Cheers, Henry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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