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Re: Method Finder?

Stéphane Ducasse

On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:

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> On 20.07.2009, at 22:48, Carlos Crosetti wrote:
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>> Why is Method Finder delivered when Method Search is doing better?
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> Method finder has one cool feature: search by example. You can put in
> 3. 4. 7
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> and it tells you which methods to call to get 3 <something> 4 = 7.
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> But on the negative side, it does duplicate functionality and it
> references
> *a lot* of symbols (as it has tables of methods to call).

I will clean that by using pragmas but no time so far.

Stef

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Re: Method Finder?

Stéphane Ducasse
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I do often.

Stef

On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:

> I wonder whether this is only useful as a  cool demo or if people
> actually use it (and find what they are looking for)?
>
> I never do.
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> Adrian
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> On Jul 21, 2009, at 15:21 , Marcus Denker wrote:
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>>
>> On 20.07.2009, at 22:48, Carlos Crosetti wrote:
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>>> Why is Method Finder delivered when Method Search is doing better?
>>
>> Method finder has one cool feature: search by example. You can put in
>> 3. 4. 7
>>
>> and it tells you which methods to call to get 3 <something> 4 = 7.
>>
>> But on the negative side, it does duplicate functionality and it
>> references
>> *a lot* of symbols (as it has tables of methods to call).
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Re: Who are you?

Gary Chambers-4
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We (Pinesoft) are developing a new product, Pharo based. Not too many
problems so far...

Regards, Gary

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> Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know
>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
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> We've just started a company ( http://agilitic.com/ ) with two friends.
> We mainly do web development with Rails/Django but we're looking for
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Re: Who are you?

Alexandre Bergel
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>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know
>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
>
> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it.

I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I  
am essentially interested in a number here :-)

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Re: Who are you?

Alexandre Bergel
Ok, so there is approximately 11 commercial entities (which includes  
company, consultant, self-employed) using Pharo.
This is an excellent news!

Cheers,
Alexandre


On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:59, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

>>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I  
>>> know
>>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
>>
>> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it.
>
> I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I
> am essentially interested in a number here :-)
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Re: Who are you?

Adrian Lienhard
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Thanks for the replies!

I've started a list at http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories

Please contact me if your project is missing or if you like to change  
your entry.

Cheers,
Adrian


On Jul 21, 2009, at 16:59 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:

>>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I  
>>> know
>>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
>>
>> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it.
>
> I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I
> am essentially interested in a number here :-)
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Re: Who are you?

Mariano Martinez Peck
gemtools aren't with pharo now?

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks for the replies!

I've started a list at http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories

Please contact me if your project is missing or if you like to change
your entry.

Cheers,
Adrian


On Jul 21, 2009, at 16:59 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:

>>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I
>>> know
>>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
>>
>> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it.
>
> I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I
> am essentially interested in a number here :-)
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Re: Who are you?

Esteban A. Maringolo
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I'm a smalltalker doing the transition from Dolphin to Pharo (not an easy one).

At work I use VSE and Dolphin since several years, and now I'm
starting a personal project, which eventually will become commercial.

After many hesitations (I was reluctant to use Squeak) I decided to
use Pharo for it and not Dolphin (my favorite Smalltalk), because of
several reasons.

I hope to contribute in the future, by know I'm just getting aquainted
back with some tools, some I already knew from when I used Squeak 3.1,
and "the new" like Monticello, PackageInfo, OmniBrowser, and the
frameworks like Magritte and Seaside.

Regards,

Esteban A. Maringolo



2009/7/21 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:

> Ok, so there is approximately 11 commercial entities (which includes
> company, consultant, self-employed) using Pharo.
> This is an excellent news!
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:59, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>>>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I
>>>> know
>>>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
>>>
>>> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it.
>>
>> I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I
>> am essentially interested in a number here :-)
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Re: Who are you?

Mariano Martinez Peck


On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm a smalltalker doing the transition from Dolphin to Pharo (not an easy one).

At work I use VSE and Dolphin since several years, and now I'm
starting a personal project, which eventually will become commercial.

After many hesitations (I was reluctant to use Squeak) I decided to
use Pharo for it and not Dolphin (my favorite Smalltalk), because of
several reasons.

would be nice to know them hehe
 


I hope to contribute in the future, by know I'm just getting aquainted
back with some tools, some I already knew from when I used Squeak 3.1,
and "the new" like Monticello, PackageInfo, OmniBrowser, and the
frameworks like Magritte and Seaside.

Regards,

Esteban A. Maringolo



2009/7/21 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:
> Ok, so there is approximately 11 commercial entities (which includes
> company, consultant, self-employed) using Pharo.
> This is an excellent news!
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:59, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>>>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I
>>>> know
>>>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
>>>
>>> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it.
>>
>> I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I
>> am essentially interested in a number here :-)
>>
>> Alexandre
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Re: Who are you?

Mariano Martinez Peck


On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm a smalltalker doing the transition from Dolphin to Pharo (not an easy one).

At work I use VSE and Dolphin since several years, and now I'm
starting a personal project, which eventually will become commercial.

After many hesitations (I was reluctant to use Squeak) I decided to
use Pharo for it and not Dolphin (my favorite Smalltalk), because of
several reasons.

would be nice to know them hehe

sorry...in another thread.
 

 


I hope to contribute in the future, by know I'm just getting aquainted
back with some tools, some I already knew from when I used Squeak 3.1,
and "the new" like Monticello, PackageInfo, OmniBrowser, and the
frameworks like Magritte and Seaside.

Regards,

Esteban A. Maringolo



2009/7/21 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:
> Ok, so there is approximately 11 commercial entities (which includes
> company, consultant, self-employed) using Pharo.
> This is an excellent news!
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:59, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>>>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I
>>>> know
>>>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
>>>
>>> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it.
>>
>> I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I
>> am essentially interested in a number here :-)
>>
>> Alexandre
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Re: Who are you?

Stéphane Ducasse
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On Jul 21, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote:

> I'm a smalltalker doing the transition from Dolphin to Pharo (not an  
> easy one).
>
> At work I use VSE and Dolphin since several years, and now I'm
> starting a personal project, which eventually will become commercial.
>
> After many hesitations (I was reluctant to use Squeak) I decided to
> use Pharo for it and not Dolphin (my favorite Smalltalk), because of
> several reasons.

I hope that you will not be disappointed because we do not have full  
time
engineers. It seems to me that Dolphin is really good (it was never  
working on mac to my own
dispair).


> I hope to contribute in the future, by know I'm just getting aquainted
> back with some tools, some I already knew from when I used Squeak 3.1,
> and "the new" like Monticello, PackageInfo, OmniBrowser, and the
> frameworks like Magritte and Seaside.
>
> Regards,
>
> Esteban A. Maringolo
>
>
>
> 2009/7/21 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:
>> Ok, so there is approximately 11 commercial entities (which includes
>> company, consultant, self-employed) using Pharo.
>> This is an excellent news!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>> On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:59, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>
>>>>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I
>>>>> know
>>>>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it.
>>>
>>> I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I
>>> am essentially interested in a number here :-)
>>>
>>> Alexandre
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Re: Who are you?

NorbertHartl
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Hi,

nothing special to report. I've developed a outdoor sports community
platform on squeak (http://whooka.com) and changed later on to pharo.
In the meantime I switched everything to gemstone, including my pier
sites. Pharo is only to client using gemtools to develop on.

At the moment I ressurrect the community platform. Pharo is interesting
to learn smalltalk and to participate on a great project. I have some
ideas with magma and remote smalltalk but time is rare these days.

Norbert

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> Dear all,
>
> 284 people are subscribed to this mailing list. It is a bit hard to  
> deduce how many users of Pharo there are, but the number of  
> subscriptions gives a number at least.
> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know  
> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
>
> I am preparing an academic presentation and having such figure will be  
> great.
>
> Kind regards,
> Alexandre



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Re: Who are you?

Alexandre Bergel
Excellent, I write 12 then

Cheers,
Alexandre


On 21 Jul 2009, at 16:55, Norbert Hartl wrote:

> Hi,
>
> nothing special to report. I've developed a outdoor sports community
> platform on squeak (http://whooka.com) and changed later on to pharo.
> In the meantime I switched everything to gemstone, including my pier
> sites. Pharo is only to client using gemtools to develop on.
>
> At the moment I ressurrect the community platform. Pharo is  
> interesting
> to learn smalltalk and to participate on a great project. I have some
> ideas with magma and remote smalltalk but time is rare these days.
>
> Norbert
>
> On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 17:13 -0400, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> 284 people are subscribed to this mailing list. It is a bit hard to
>> deduce how many users of Pharo there are, but the number of
>> subscriptions gives a number at least.
>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know
>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
>>
>> I am preparing an academic presentation and having such figure will  
>> be
>> great.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Alexandre
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Re: Who are you?

Stuart Herring-2
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I'm using Pharo with Seaside for a small commercial website for a friend's business (http://test.creativecorsetry.com.au) - not live yet, but only a month or so away.
I originally started on Squeak 3.10, but Pharo looked like being the better choice for the future.

Regards,
Stuart

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Dear all,

284 people are subscribed to this mailing list. It is a bit hard to
deduce how many users of Pharo there are, but the number of
subscriptions gives a number at least.
How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know
there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?

I am preparing an academic presentation and having such figure will be
great.

Kind regards,
Alexandre
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Re: Who are you?

Johan Brichau
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Hi Alex,

We're a company in the making that will use pharo and seaside for a  
confirmed software project.
I can provide more info in a month or so (names and all that... :-)

On 20 Jul 2009, at 23:13, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> 284 people are subscribed to this mailing list. It is a bit hard to
> deduce how many users of Pharo there are, but the number of
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> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know
> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
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> I am preparing an academic presentation and having such figure will be
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Re: Who are you?

Alexandre Bergel
Excellent!

Alexandre


On 22 Jul 2009, at 06:06, Johan Brichau wrote:

> Hi Alex,
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> We're a company in the making that will use pharo and seaside for a
> confirmed software project.
> I can provide more info in a month or so (names and all that... :-)
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> On 20 Jul 2009, at 23:13, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
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>> Dear all,
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>> 284 people are subscribed to this mailing list. It is a bit hard to
>> deduce how many users of Pharo there are, but the number of
>> subscriptions gives a number at least.
>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know
>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more?
>>
>> I am preparing an academic presentation and having such figure will  
>> be
>> great.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Alexandre
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