Why a package management system

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> I think this scenario of usage is really great! Good work Torsten.
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> Would be a shame that this example got lost in the emails list.
> For starting from scratch and getting to know metacello is perfect.
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> Could the Metacello group add it to the web page? Or a link in the Pharo website, in a tutorials section?
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> Fernando
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> On Feb 22, 2010, at 1:12 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
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> Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Göran Krampe wrote:
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>>> Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>> So you are educating them....
>>>> Frankly I stopped trying long time ago.
>>> Hey Stef, no need to be so sarcastic you know - several of us are in
>>> fact in BOTH communities. IMHO we all need to remember that.
>>
>> Do you think that I do not know it?
> [SNIP of lots of things you did in Squeak, no argument about that]
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>> and in general **each** time this was a fight so I can say that I'm fed up arguing.
>
> I am fully aware of the history here, as you know, but I still ask all
> involved (on BOTH sides) to try to remember that our two communities
> overlap substantially. And personally I think your characterization of
> the Squeak community is a tad black & white. ;)
>
> I also know you quite well Steph, after all these years, so I hardly
> even react when you use harsh words :) - still, lots of other people are
> new in our communities.
>
> I think it would be much more ... "becoming" (and fruitful) if we all
> could stop "trash talking" each other - especially those of us who play
> a "larger role".
>
> Just my 2 cents, would be interesting to hear views of other Pharaos on
> this subject.
>
> regards, Göran
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> Hi!
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> Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>> You are probably right. I should not read squeak-dev anymore I spent my time trying to show
>> that there is NO contradiction between innovation/fun and good and clean system.
>> But I'm not fun enough or smart enough.
>>
>> Stef (a etoy haters that was so stupid that he translated the book of etoy in french,
>> an idiot that wrote most of the squeak books available right now, one of the four amigos that created the squeak foundation,
>> a guy that did this stupid squeak 3.9 - you know stef this guy without any vision that just wants a
>> "commercial smalltalk" puck! No innovation just plain engineering ....)
>
> First you write "You are probably right" and then you write the above,
> you just can't stop can you? :)

> Hi!
>
> Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>> You are probably right. I should not read squeak-dev anymore I spent my time trying to show
>> that there is NO contradiction between innovation/fun and good and clean system.
>> But I'm not fun enough or smart enough.
>>
>> Stef (a etoy haters that was so stupid that he translated the book of etoy in french,
>> an idiot that wrote most of the squeak books available right now, one of the four amigos that created the squeak foundation,
>> a guy that did this stupid squeak 3.9 - you know stef this guy without any vision that just wants a
>> "commercial smalltalk" puck! No innovation just plain engineering ....)
>
> First you write "You are probably right" and then you write the above,
> you just can't stop can you? :)
>
> regards, Göran
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> Hi!
>
> Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>> You are probably right. I should not read squeak-dev anymore I spent my
>> time trying to show
>> that there is NO contradiction between innovation/fun and good and clean
>> system.
>> But I'm not fun enough or smart enough.
>>
>> Stef (a etoy haters that was so stupid that he translated the book of
>> etoy in french,
>> an idiot that wrote most of the squeak books available right now, one of
>> the four amigos that created the squeak foundation,
>> a guy that did this stupid squeak 3.9 - you know stef this guy without
>> any vision that just wants a
>> "commercial smalltalk" puck! No innovation just plain engineering ....)
>
> First you write "You are probably right" and then you write the above,
> you just can't stop can you? :)
>
> regards, Göran
>
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> On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Göran Krampe wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>> You are probably right. I should not read squeak-dev anymore I spent my time trying to show
>>> that there is NO contradiction between innovation/fun and good and clean system.
>>> But I'm not fun enough or smart enough.
>>>
>>> Stef (a etoy haters that was so stupid that he translated the book of etoy in french,
>>> an idiot that wrote most of the squeak books available right now, one of the four amigos that created the squeak foundation,
>>> a guy that did this stupid squeak 3.9 - you know stef this guy without any vision that just wants a
>>> "commercial smalltalk" puck! No innovation just plain engineering ....)
>> First you write "You are probably right" and then you write the above,
>> you just can't stop can you? :)
>
> Is it insulting for you when I say that I felt insulted and immensely sad?

> Hi!
>
> Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Göran Krampe wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>> You are probably right. I should not read squeak-dev anymore I spent my time trying to show
>>>> that there is NO contradiction between innovation/fun and good and clean system.
>>>> But I'm not fun enough or smart enough.
>>>>
>>>> Stef (a etoy haters that was so stupid that he translated the book of etoy in french,
>>>> an idiot that wrote most of the squeak books available right now, one of the four amigos that created the squeak foundation,
>>>> a guy that did this stupid squeak 3.9 - you know stef this guy without any vision that just wants a
>>>> "commercial smalltalk" puck! No innovation just plain engineering ....)
>>> First you write "You are probably right" and then you write the above,
>>> you just can't stop can you? :)
>>
>> Is it insulting for you when I say that I felt insulted and immensely sad?
>
> No, of course not, but... IMHO we have come to a point where some of us
> really want to work on sharing and cooperating between the two
> *overlapping* communities - and in that light these never ending "shots"
> are really not helping.
>
> And I am really trying to express this in my best humble and most
> respectful way, you know that. I love all the energy and work you
> personally pour into the Smalltalk community, you know that.
>
> I still wish you could... consider the fact I originally wrote: We
> overlap. And I really think the hostility is getting boring.
>
> regards, Göran
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