Why did Ward Cunningham left Smalltalk and went for Ruby

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Why did Ward Cunningham left Smalltalk and went for Ruby

HwaJong Oh
I found a recent podcast where Ward Cunningham was guest and talks about Wiki, HyperCard, Wikipedia, Wikileaks, Comodore64, RubyForKids and so on.  http://www.pragprog.com/podcasts/show/36 
At 30:30, he begins to talk about Smalltalk how he enjoyed it, and why he decided to go for Ruby.

Personally, I thinks it is makes more sense than Bob Martin's view.

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