Hi guys,
It seems that JavaScript guys are slowly coming to conclusion that they need something like Aida/Web :) Well, after more client-side features will come to Aida too. Aida is namely not just a web framework but complete application server. Here is the article: http://panyasan.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/why-we-need-a-nodejs-application-server-or-writing-boilerplate-considered-harmful/ As you see Aida has most features from his proposal, except persistence and cloud support. Here are most interesting parts of his article: ... There is, however, one big issue that holds me back from starting to work on any of those ideas: the lack of the right end-to-end stack including a decent application server for NodeJS, which will free me from having to worry about boilerplate code for things like authentication, user management, access control, etc. ... I shouldn’t spend my time worrying about how to store passwords securely, or how to synchronize data between the client and the server, or how exactly model data is persisted in what database. ... I think such a platform would not only save thousands (or more) of hours of developers’ time. This time could then be invested instead in solving the application-specific problems in thorough and creative ways. ... There is a wealth of JavaScript frameworks on the client and on the server side, but, as far as I can see, no such thing as an “application server” known from the Java world yet exists. ... I see a number of features and characteristics of such an application server: - It should not assume any particular rendering model on the client (DOM-templating vs. widget objects) - It should also not force a different programming model on developers (like Opa or Meteor), but let you code in plain old asynchronous javascript... - It should have an integrated API for client and server. - It should provide a static HTTP server, REST routing, and bidirectional, realtime messaging and broadcasting (such as Socket.io). - It should offer async startup/plugin/configuration system like Cloud9′s Architect. - It should provide an out-of-the box system and API for user & group management, registration, access control, Password storage/retrieval /update etc, preferrably with a set of built-in templates that can be used for managing the most generic configuration tasks. With this, a pluggable system to use third-party authentication providers. - It should also provide an integrated system of data modeling and persistence. I really do not care about database technology. I simply want to store, edit and retrieve my model data. - It could also have a toolset that would allow you to deploy your application instantly to a cloud provider such as Heroku or Nodejitsu -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si _______________________________________________ Aida mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida |
Interesting article.
About cloud support, even when is not a particular feature of the framework nor the vm, I developed some tries to use Smalltalk in OpenShift (from RedHat). Now that the only Smalltalk I'm working on is Cuis, as soon as I've some free time my plan is (after make it work Sport and Swazoo and then Janko try to have Aida working in Cuis) to polish my old code and develop a prolix way of use Cuis in OpenShift.
Persistence: I (almost) ported SandstoneDB (I agree with the original comment of Ramon saying that this sort of approach solves a big percentage of the common app needs) and shouldn't hard to integrate I think.
Just my 0.02 cents. 2012/12/16 Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> Hi guys, ============================================ Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com greensecure.blogspot.com germanarduino.blogspot.com ============================================ _______________________________________________ Aida mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida |
Thanks Germán,
Any could related experience with Aida would be greatly appreciated. Janko Dne 16. 12. 2012 15:50, piše Germán Arduino: > Interesting article. > > About cloud support, even when is not a particular feature of the > framework nor the vm, I developed some tries to use Smalltalk in > OpenShift (from RedHat). > > Now that the only Smalltalk I'm working on is Cuis, as soon as I've some > free time my plan is (after make it work Sport and Swazoo and then Janko > try to have Aida working in Cuis) to polish my old code and develop a > prolix way of use Cuis in OpenShift. > > Persistence: I (almost) ported SandstoneDB (I agree with the original > comment of Ramon saying that this sort of approach solves a big > percentage of the common app needs) and shouldn't hard to integrate I think. > > Just my 0.02 cents. > > > 2012/12/16 Janko Mivšek <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> > > Hi guys, > > It seems that JavaScript guys are slowly coming to conclusion that they > need something like Aida/Web :) Well, after more client-side features > will come to Aida too. Aida is namely not just a web framework but > complete application server. Here is the article: > > http://panyasan.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/why-we-need-a-nodejs-application-server-or-writing-boilerplate-considered-harmful/ > > As you see Aida has most features from his proposal, except persistence > and cloud support. > > Here are most interesting parts of his article: > > ... > There is, however, one big issue that holds me back from starting to > work on any of those ideas: the lack of the right end-to-end stack > including a decent application server for NodeJS, which will free me > from having to worry about boilerplate code for things like > authentication, user management, access control, etc. > ... > I shouldn’t spend my time worrying about how to store passwords > securely, or how to synchronize data between the client and the server, > or how exactly model data is persisted in what database. > ... > I think such a platform would not only save thousands (or more) of hours > of developers’ time. This time could then be invested instead in solving > the application-specific problems in thorough and creative ways. > ... > There is a wealth of JavaScript frameworks on the client and on the > server side, but, as far as I can see, no such thing as an “application > server” known from the Java world yet exists. > ... > I see a number of features and characteristics of such an application > server: > > - It should not assume any particular rendering model on the client > (DOM-templating vs. widget objects) > - It should also not force a different programming model on developers > (like Opa or Meteor), but let you code in plain old asynchronous > javascript... > - It should have an integrated API for client and server. > - It should provide a static HTTP server, REST routing, and > bidirectional, realtime messaging and broadcasting (such as > Socket.io). > - It should offer async startup/plugin/configuration system like > Cloud9′s Architect. > - It should provide an out-of-the box system and API for user & group > management, registration, access control, Password storage/retrieval > /update etc, preferrably with a set of built-in templates that can be > used for managing the most generic configuration tasks. With this, a > pluggable system to use third-party authentication providers. > - It should also provide an integrated system of data modeling and > persistence. I really do not care about database technology. I simply > want to store, edit and retrieve my model data. > - It could also have a toolset that would allow you to deploy your > application instantly to a cloud provider such as Heroku or Nodejitsu > > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > _______________________________________________ > Aida mailing list > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida > > > > > -- > ============================================ > Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net <http://arsol.net>> Twitter: garduino > Arduino Software http://www.arduinosoftware.com > PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com > greensecure.blogspot.com <http://greensecure.blogspot.com> > germanarduino.blogspot.com <http://germanarduino.blogspot.com> > ============================================ > > > _______________________________________________ > Aida mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida > -- Janko Mivšek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565 _______________________________________________ Aida mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida |
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