Widgetry questions
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Hi, i am pretty new to Visualworks. I have bean reading with some
interest about the new Widgetry framework, and am going to check it out. I really like the idea of easily customizing and creating new UI widgets. Have been perusing the web casts about this. I have a couple of questions: 1) What was so wrong with Pollock (sp?) that required a complete rewrite? 2) How far away is the GUI Painter/Builder tool for Widgetry? all the examples I have seen so far are scripted creation of the UI . 3) Have any apps been shipped using Widgetry that can be downloaded and played with? I downloaded Bottom Feeder but it looked very bad on Mac OS X. Particularly the font rendering in menus and buttons. Does Bottom Feeder use Pollock or Widgetry? Thanks, Alex Rice |
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Pollock is the old name for Widgetry. BottomFeeder doesn't so much look bad
on Mac as VW looks bad on Mac right now - we are addressing that. Bf is written in the existing GUI toolset, sometimes called Wrapper. At present, there is no schedule or plan to build a GUI builder for Widgetry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Rice" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: Widgetry questions > Hi, i am pretty new to Visualworks. I have bean reading with some > interest about the new Widgetry framework, and am going to check it > out. I really like the idea of easily customizing and creating new UI > widgets. Have been perusing the web casts about this. I have a couple > of questions: > > 1) What was so wrong with Pollock (sp?) that required a complete rewrite? > > 2) How far away is the GUI Painter/Builder tool for Widgetry? all the > examples I have seen so far are scripted creation of the UI . > > 3) Have any apps been shipped using Widgetry that can be downloaded > and played with? > I downloaded Bottom Feeder but it looked very bad on Mac OS X. > Particularly the font rendering in menus and buttons. Does Bottom > Feeder use Pollock or Widgetry? > > Thanks, > > Alex Rice > > |
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If you don't plan on building a GUI builder for Widgetry how do plan on replacing Wrapper? Terry =========================================================== Terry Raymond Crafted Smalltalk 80 Lazywood Ln. Tiverton, RI 02878 (401) 624-4517 [hidden email] <http://www.craftedsmalltalk.com> =========================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: James Robertson [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:51 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: Widgetry questions > > Pollock is the old name for Widgetry. BottomFeeder doesn't so much look > bad > on Mac as VW looks bad on Mac right now - we are addressing that. Bf is > written in the existing GUI toolset, sometimes called Wrapper. > > At present, there is no schedule or plan to build a GUI builder for > Widgetry. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Rice" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:13 PM > Subject: Widgetry questions > > > > Hi, i am pretty new to Visualworks. I have bean reading with some > > interest about the new Widgetry framework, and am going to check it > > out. I really like the idea of easily customizing and creating new UI > > widgets. Have been perusing the web casts about this. I have a couple > > of questions: > > > > 1) What was so wrong with Pollock (sp?) that required a complete > rewrite? > > > > 2) How far away is the GUI Painter/Builder tool for Widgetry? all the > > examples I have seen so far are scripted creation of the UI . > > > > 3) Have any apps been shipped using Widgetry that can be downloaded > > and played with? > > I downloaded Bottom Feeder but it looked very bad on Mac OS X. > > Particularly the font rendering in menus and buttons. Does Bottom > > Feeder use Pollock or Widgetry? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alex Rice > > > > |
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James Robertson [[hidden email]], 6 Sept 2007
> At present, there is no schedule or plan to build a GUI builder > for Widgetry. At what point are you going to change the name back from VisualWorks to ObjectWorks? Steve PS For those who don't know the history: VisualWorks 1.0 was released in 1992, adding a GUI builder as its major new feature compared to its predecessor, ObjectWorks 4.1. For a good description of how frameworks evolve from bits of resuable code into visual builders and tools, see Don Roberts and Ralph Johnson's work: http://chip.cs.uiuc.edu/~droberts/evolve.html |
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In reply to this post by James Robertson-7
WHAT!!?? And what do we tell our existing customers, Jim? This is a
giant step *Backwards*. Chris James Robertson wrote: > Pollock is the old name for Widgetry. BottomFeeder doesn't so much > look bad on Mac as VW looks bad on Mac right now - we are addressing > that. Bf is written in the existing GUI toolset, sometimes called > Wrapper. > > At present, there is no schedule or plan to build a GUI builder for > Widgetry. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Rice" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:13 PM > Subject: Widgetry questions > > >> Hi, i am pretty new to Visualworks. I have bean reading with some >> interest about the new Widgetry framework, and am going to check it >> out. I really like the idea of easily customizing and creating new UI >> widgets. Have been perusing the web casts about this. I have a couple >> of questions: >> >> 1) What was so wrong with Pollock (sp?) that required a complete >> rewrite? >> >> 2) How far away is the GUI Painter/Builder tool for Widgetry? all the >> examples I have seen so far are scripted creation of the UI . >> >> 3) Have any apps been shipped using Widgetry that can be downloaded >> and played with? >> I downloaded Bottom Feeder but it looked very bad on Mac OS X. >> Particularly the font rendering in menus and buttons. Does Bottom >> Feeder use Pollock or Widgetry? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Alex Rice >> >> > > > |
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We are in the process of making decisions on the future of the VW UI right
now. What I said below doesn't mean that there won't be better tools coming; what it means is that at the moment, we have not made a final decision on what the path forward looks like. We should have something more definitive to say within a few days - this isn't something that will stay fuzzy for long. What I can say is that improvements will not take <years> to arrive. Going forward, you'll see a lot more continuous improvement, and a lot less in the way of 10 year plans. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Winemiller" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Widgetry questions > WHAT!!?? And what do we tell our existing customers, Jim? This is a > giant step *Backwards*. > > Chris > > James Robertson wrote: >> Pollock is the old name for Widgetry. BottomFeeder doesn't so much look >> bad on Mac as VW looks bad on Mac right now - we are addressing that. Bf >> is written in the existing GUI toolset, sometimes called Wrapper. >> >> At present, there is no schedule or plan to build a GUI builder for >> Widgetry. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Rice" <[hidden email]> >> To: <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:13 PM >> Subject: Widgetry questions >> >> >>> Hi, i am pretty new to Visualworks. I have bean reading with some >>> interest about the new Widgetry framework, and am going to check it >>> out. I really like the idea of easily customizing and creating new UI >>> widgets. Have been perusing the web casts about this. I have a couple >>> of questions: >>> >>> 1) What was so wrong with Pollock (sp?) that required a complete >>> rewrite? >>> >>> 2) How far away is the GUI Painter/Builder tool for Widgetry? all the >>> examples I have seen so far are scripted creation of the UI . >>> >>> 3) Have any apps been shipped using Widgetry that can be downloaded >>> and played with? >>> I downloaded Bottom Feeder but it looked very bad on Mac OS X. >>> Particularly the font rendering in menus and buttons. Does Bottom >>> Feeder use Pollock or Widgetry? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Alex Rice >>> >>> >> >> >> > > |
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From the few experience I have with Widgetry I don’t quite see how a builder spec interface could be as flexible and easy to manipulate as the current scripting version, although you can certainly see that it is all designed with this in mind.
Don't most of us prefer To what I experience Widgetry is currently all about throwing code out and making simple things a little bit more complicated but complicated things a lot easier. There is no way that I'll go back to wrapper, I rather rebuild quickly then maintain the old graphical. If there is anything to vote then that would be better OS integration and a true Vista / Leopard Look based on Of course that is all personnel. @+Maarten,
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From: "Chris Winemiller" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Widgetry questions > giant step *Backwards*. > > Chris > > James Robertson wrote: >> Pollock is the old name for Widgetry. BottomFeeder doesn't so much >> look bad on Mac as VW looks bad on Mac right now - we are addressing >> that. Bf is written in the existing GUI toolset, sometimes called >> Wrapper. >> >> At present, there is no schedule or plan to build a GUI builder for >> Widgetry. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Rice" <[hidden email]> >> To: <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:13 PM >> Subject: Widgetry questions >> >> >>> Hi, i am pretty new to Visualworks. I have bean reading with some >>> interest about the new Widgetry framework, and am going to check it >>> out. I really like the idea of easily customizing and creating new UI >>> widgets. Have been perusing the web casts about this. I have a couple >>> of questions: >>> >>> 1) What was so wrong with Pollock (sp?) that required a complete >>> rewrite? >>> >>> 2) How far away is the GUI Painter/Builder tool for Widgetry? all the >>> examples I have seen so far are scripted creation of the UI . >>> >>> 3) Have any apps been shipped using Widgetry that can be downloaded >>> and played with? >>> I downloaded Bottom Feeder but it looked very bad on Mac OS X. >>> Particularly the font rendering in menus and buttons. Does Bottom >>> Feeder use Pollock or Widgetry? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Alex Rice >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > |
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