World Menu associated mouse click

Btw in Bloc this has already been changed.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Nicolai Hess <[hidden email]> wrote:

2015-08-17 16:07 GMT+02:00 Blondeau Vincent <[hidden email]>:

Hi,

There is a setting to have this consistence (deactivated by default):
Appearance>Desktop>Invert right click on world menu in Linux and Windows

By the way, the buttons are not inverted under Mac (conventional).

I agree that the context click should open the world menu by default..

+1
 

Cheers,
Vincent

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Objet : [Pharo-dev] World Menu associated mouse click

A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being associated with left-mouse-click.  I have come to agree.  The World Menu provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e.
the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click.

By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground.

* First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions.

* Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise.
(Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.)

So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the context-click (i.e. right-click) ?

cheers -ben

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On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote:

If you are not ready to get out of your comfort zone , you wont be using Smalltalk. Sure change it to left click, but in the end it wont make much of a difference. Smalltalk is for a specific kind of people that are looking for a fresh approach to coding. For everyone else there is like a ton of languages that recycle old recipes and keep things familiar.

Unless, of course, the red button was chosen out of convenience since Mac had only one mouse button. (This is just my guess.)

But importantly there's difference between "keeping things familiar with the universe (other OS/langs/...)"  and "being internally consistent" (every menu except for the world menu is opened with right/yellow button).

Now the great thing about Pharo is that everything can change if it makes sense. :)

Opened issue with fix - https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?16265

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>>> De : Pharo-dev [mailto:[hidden email]] De la part de
>>>>> Ben Coman
>>>>> A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being
>>>>> associated with left-mouse-click.  I have come to agree.  The World Menu
>>>>> provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e.
>>>>> the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention
>>>>> for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click.
>>>>>
>>>>> By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground.
>>>>>
>>>>> * First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's
>>>>> context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not
>>>>> the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise.
>>>>> (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might
>>>>> suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.)
>>>>>
>>>>> So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the
>>>>> context-click (i.e. right-click) ?
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers -ben

> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:09 PM Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Opened issue with fix - https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?16265
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> >>>>> De : Pharo-dev [mailto:[hidden email]] De la part
>> >>>>> de
>> >>>>> Ben Coman
>> >>>>> A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being
>> >>>>> associated with left-mouse-click.  I have come to agree.  The World
>> >>>>> Menu
>> >>>>> provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e.
>> >>>>> the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual
>> >>>>> convention
>> >>>>> for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> * First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's
>> >>>>> context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> * Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats
>> >>>>> not
>> >>>>> the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise.
>> >>>>> (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might
>> >>>>> suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the
>> >>>>> context-click (i.e. right-click) ?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> cheers -ben

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Dimitris Chloupis
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> and what about the existing right click menu for selecting morphs ?

Well I never use it ;)  but I presume from your question that you do.
With no further action, this behaviour will be swapped to the
left-click. You can test this yourself in the latest build with the
preference setting mentioned previously.  To me though, as a separate
issue, this is meta behaviour and should be invoked the same as
bringing up halos, leaving the left-click unassigned and available for
*something-else* application specific.

cheers -ben