Would it be a good idea to integrate amber more tightly with something like backbone.js?
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Would it be a good idea to integrate amber more tightly with something like backbone.js?
 
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I am really impressed with some of the new libraries such as deployd,
backbone, angular, etc. Obviously, we can work with those libraries using Amber, as it is. However, it seems to me that a version of amber which was more tightly integrated with a library, might be really appealing. I imagine, at the simplest level, this might just involve including the library classes - and documentation - within the browser. But, perhaps there is more to it than this? Ideally, I want a system that has a similar experience to gemstone, I.e. not having to worry about persistence, and a rich collection of widgets for interface construction Has anyone built anything like this? If so, did it require changes to amber? |
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I'm not using Amber right now, but I thought that migrating/integrating backbone.js into amber would be a good project to learn the internals of both frameworks. Backbone.st is a catchy name for outsiders too.
On a side note I consider it to be the most Smalltalker friendly of all the JS presentation frameworks, it is more MVP than MVC/MVVM, and it even have a model similar to the one used by Amber, where all the views end up in a render. Actually it is more like Dolphin Smalltalk MVP Pattern, where the view is "dumb", and everything is triggered by the Presenter. Addy Osmani is one of the few influential JS developers who mentions Smalltalk in his O'Reilly Backbone.js book (http://addyosmani.github.com/backbone-fundamentals/#smalltalk-80-mvc). Regards, Esteban. |
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Hi! Writing glue code in Amber to integrate better with some libraries wouldn't require any change to Amber itself. I personally don't have a strong need to that, because by nature Amber works very well in a JS environment. Now if you'd like to integrate better with angular.js or any other, please just go for it!! Nico Andy Burnett <[hidden email]> writes: > I am really impressed with some of the new libraries such as deployd, > backbone, angular, etc. Obviously, we can work with those libraries > using Amber, as it is. However, it seems to me that a version of amber > which was more tightly integrated with a library, might be really > appealing. > > I imagine, at the simplest level, this might just involve including > the library classes - and documentation - within the browser. But, > perhaps there is more to it than this? Ideally, I want a system that > has a similar experience to gemstone, I.e. not having to worry about > persistence, and a rich collection of widgets for interface > construction > > Has anyone built anything like this? If so, did it require changes to amber? -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr |
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I think there are strong arguments to keep Amber 'pure', and I certainly don't want to complicate it. And yet, when I look at systems like Meteor, I can't help feeling that there may be some important benefits to be had by integrating with some library(ies) more closely. I will go and have a play ;-) Cheers Andy On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I've just watched the Meteor demo and it's pretty impressive to make real time apps
but I still prefer to wait for a little clean smalltalk framework to achieve it a real debugger + Helios on remote VM's will make us get there (and much more) in no time and without any further magic On Jan 1, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Andy Burnett wrote:
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I completely agree. Improving Amber - as you have outlined - is our main priority. At the same time, it may be helpful for some of us to try integrating it with one or more libraries, because that might provide important feedback for its development.
Personally, I would like to be able to load a library, have all that library's methods visible in Amber, and just code away - using the Chrome debugger in one window - seeing my application growing in the main browser window. Assuming this is even possible! some of this will require Amber development, and other parts will probably require us to e.g. develop a package for Amber that can automagically read the Backbone methods/Docs etc.
I don't want to distract from the main effort, but I wondered if anyone else is interested in playing with this. Cheers Andy On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 4:22 PM, sebastian <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Indeed :) sebastian <[hidden email]> writes: > I've just watched the Meteor demo and it's pretty impressive to make real time apps > > but I still prefer to wait for a little clean smalltalk framework to achieve it > > a real debugger + Helios on remote VM's will make us get there (and much more) in no time and without any further magic > > sebastian > > o/ > > > > > > On Jan 1, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Andy Burnett wrote: > >> I think there are strong arguments to keep Amber 'pure', and I certainly don't want to complicate it. And yet, when I look at systems like Meteor, I can't help feeling that there may be some important benefits to be had by integrating with some library(ies) more closely. >> >> I will go and have a play ;-) >> >> Cheers >> Andy >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> Writing glue code in Amber to integrate better with some libraries >> wouldn't require any change to Amber itself. >> >> I personally don't have a strong need to that, because by nature Amber >> works very well in a JS environment. Now if you'd like to integrate >> better with angular.js or any other, please just go for it!! >> >> Nico >> >> Andy Burnett <[hidden email]> writes: >> >> > I am really impressed with some of the new libraries such as deployd, >> > backbone, angular, etc. Obviously, we can work with those libraries >> > using Amber, as it is. However, it seems to me that a version of amber >> > which was more tightly integrated with a library, might be really >> > appealing. >> > >> > I imagine, at the simplest level, this might just involve including >> > the library classes - and documentation - within the browser. But, >> > perhaps there is more to it than this? Ideally, I want a system that >> > has a similar experience to gemstone, I.e. not having to worry about >> > persistence, and a rich collection of widgets for interface >> > construction >> > >> > Has anyone built anything like this? If so, did it require changes to amber? >> >> -- >> Nicolas Petton >> http://nicolas-petton.fr >> > -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr |
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I've got some Amber-AngularJS integration. It's by no means complete, but so far controllers, services, and bootstrapping of AngularJS can be done within Amber.
-- I'm developing the AngularJS wrapper as I develop an app. I'm using Amber with Onsen UI (AngularJS + Topcoat) and running it all on top of Apache Cordova. On Monday, January 7, 2013 8:23:42 AM UTC-5, nicolas petton wrote:
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