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XP SP2 and Deploying Apps

talios@gmail.com
So I'm like really new to this Dolphin lark ( installed yesterday ) and
deployed an exe this morning that had problems.

I've just rewritten it with actual real functionality and a resonably
nice UI and went to build an exe but.....

mid-way through the day I installed XP SP2 on the laptop, and now I
Dolphin core dumps with saying that the refactoring browse has redundant
prerequesites and can't be removed, then the image crashes...

Anyone seen that?


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Re: XP SP2 and Deploying Apps

Blair McGlashan-3
"Mark Derricutt" <[hidden email]> wrote in message
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> So I'm like really new to this Dolphin lark ( installed yesterday ) and
> deployed an exe this morning that had problems.
>
> I've just rewritten it with actual real functionality and a resonably
> nice UI and went to build an exe but.....
>
> mid-way through the day I installed XP SP2 on the laptop, and now I
> Dolphin core dumps with saying that the refactoring browse has redundant
> prerequesites and can't be removed, then the image crashes...
>
> Anyone seen that?

It probably has nothing to do with XP SP2, but rather some modification you
have made (perhaps inadvertently).

Go into the Package Browser and ensure that the $ at the root of the package
tree is selected. Then switch to the 'Prerequisites' tab and right click to
bring up the context menu. Choose the Show Status Icons command. Any
packages that have a red X against them have cyclic prerequisites. If you
drill down into the prerequisites tree from there you should be able to find
where the cycle occurs. If you select the packages in the pre-reqs tree you
will see in the bottom pane a list of the dependencies that exist between
the selected package, and its parent in the tree. You can use this to find
what is causing the cyclic reference. Usually it is caused by having added a
method to a package that references a class in another package which is
itself already dependent on the first package. Cyclic references can always
be resolved, usually very easily. In most cases it is simply a matter of
making a method "loose" (that is, it extends a class defined in a
prerequisite package rather than being defined within that package). In more
complex cases it is sometimes necessary (or best) to introduce a third
package that acts as a common base for both packages. Finally you can use an
indirect symbolic reference (e.g. lookup a class by name in the Smalltalk
dictionary rather than referencing it directly), although I generally
wouldn't recommend this as it is best that all dependencies be visible as
that way the browser and deployment tools will be more helpful.

Some people have recently mentioned here that they always deploy from a
fresh image. I don't always do this during development, but it is
nevertheless very good advice. Following the discipline of deploying from a
new image helps ensure that the packaged representation of your project
fully describes the application. This allows you to separate it cleanly from
any particular image and install it in another. If your packages don't fully
describe your applicaton, you'll also have problems at deployment time since
the Lagoon system relies heavily on packaging information in deciding what
needs to be retained in the application. Another advantage is that the fresh
image won't contain any spoors from previous development experiments and
debugging. Unwanted objects can sometimes hang around in an image
indefinitely, and although they can always be tracked down and removed, this
is sometimes more effort than just starting again in a fresh environment.

Regards

Blair


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Re: XP SP2 and Deploying Apps

Mark Derricutt-2
Blair McGlashan wrote:

> Go into the Package Browser and ensure that the $ at the root of the package
> tree is selected. Then switch to the 'Prerequisites' tab and right click to
> bring up the context menu. Choose the Show Status Icons command. Any
> packages that have a red X against them have cyclic prerequisites. If you

Seems you're right.  I'd created classes for the MS SOAP api which seem
to have generated messy dependencies ( I seem to recall several classes
existing and Dolphin asking if I wanted to move the existing ones or
something ).  I just killed the image and reinstalled my package and
we're almost away laughing.

I set Dolphin to deploy an exe and went out, an hour or so later it's
still sitting there at "removing redundant methods", the drive light is
flickering but theres no indication of it actually DOING anything.

Sadly, this step isn't winning me any joy ( its a pity cause I loved the
rest of Dolphin so far - although the view composer could be improved a
bit ).

Mark


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Re: XP SP2 and Deploying Apps

Andy Bower-3
Mark,

> > Go into the Package Browser and ensure that the $ at the root of
> > the package tree is selected. Then switch to the 'Prerequisites'
> > tab and right click to bring up the context menu. Choose the Show
> > Status Icons command. Any packages that have a red X against them
> > have cyclic prerequisites. If you
>
> Seems you're right.  I'd created classes for the MS SOAP api which
> seem to have generated messy dependencies ( I seem to recall several
> classes existing and Dolphin asking if I wanted to move the existing
> ones or something ).  I just killed the image and reinstalled my
> package and we're almost away laughing.
>
> I set Dolphin to deploy an exe and went out, an hour or so later it's
> still sitting there at "removing redundant methods", the drive light
> is flickering but theres no indication of it actually DOING anything.
>
> Sadly, this step isn't winning me any joy ( its a pity cause I loved
> the rest of Dolphin so far - although the view composer could be
> improved a bit ).

The image stripping stage rarely takes longer than 30secs (on my box
anyway) so there is still something wrong. Try pressing Ctrl-Break to
break execution and enter the debugger. From the method stack you might
be able to see what's going on.

Best regards,


Andy Bower
Dolphin Support
www.object-arts.com


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Re: XP SP2 and Deploying Apps

Mark Derricutt-2
Andy Bower wrote:

> The image stripping stage rarely takes longer than 30secs (on my box
> anyway) so there is still something wrong. Try pressing Ctrl-Break to
> break execution and enter the debugger. From the method stack you might
> be able to see what's going on.

Hmm, I tried that and it returned with a "The following error occurred
while stripping.  The image MUST exit immediately, but see crash dump
(if configured): User interrupt."

*sigh* I do seem to have a habbit of breaking things when I try them :o

Where would this crash dump be logged?


--
Discouragement is a dissatisfaction with the past, a distaste for the
present, and a distrust of the future - Maree De Jong, CLCA.

Mark Derricutt   ---   mark@ talios.com   ---   http://www.talios.com


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Re: XP SP2 and Deploying Apps

talios@gmail.com
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Andy Bower wrote:

> The image stripping stage rarely takes longer than 30secs (on my box
> anyway) so there is still something wrong. Try pressing Ctrl-Break to
> break execution and enter the debugger. From the method stack you might
> be able to see what's going on.

If I leave out the method stripping it works...  only now I see
different behaviour at runtime from the exe over the image.  Mmmm.


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Re: XP SP2 and Deploying Apps

Chris Uppal-3
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Mark Derricutt wrote:

> > The image stripping stage rarely takes longer than 30secs (on my box
> > anyway) so there is still something wrong. Try pressing Ctrl-Break to
> > break execution and enter the debugger. From the method stack you might
> > be able to see what's going on.

Try turning on the image strippers logging.  (I can't imagine why it's not on
by default.)  There's a risk that it'll generate a really /huge/ file if it's
stuck in a loop trying to log the same method over and over, but at least it
might indicate where this, very strange, problem starts.


> *sigh* I do seem to have a habbit of breaking things when I try them :o

A /very useful/ attribute for a programmer.  (Or that's what I keep telling
myself, anyway ;-)


> Where would this crash dump be logged?

I can't remember whether it's turned on by default.  In any case, the crash
dump is written to the file named by the default value (string type) of the
registry key:

    HKLM/Object Arts/Dolphin Smalltalk 5.0/CrashDump/

Note: that HML machine, not HKL user; and it's Dolphin Smalltalk 5.0, not 5.1.

    -- chris


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Re: XP SP2 and Deploying Apps

talios@gmail.com
Chris Uppal wrote:

>>*sigh* I do seem to have a habbit of breaking things when I try them :o
> A /very useful/ attribute for a programmer.  (Or that's what I keep telling
> myself, anyway ;-)

And persistence.  Whilst I'm starting to realllllly hate COM and Outlook
again, I'm starting to really like Dolphin.