ZOO Spooky Paint license

> Hi
> Anybody know the license to this project ?
>
> http://languagegame.org:8888/zoo/241
>
> I would like to work on a better paint system for Squeak / Etoys and this is
> a nice starting point.
>
>
> Karl
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> Thanks
> Karl
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Kazuhiro ABE <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> The author, Thoru Yamamoto, may not check this ML.
>> So I'll ask him,
>>
>> Kazuhiro Abe
>>
>> 2011/11/29 karl ramberg <[hidden email]>:
>> > Hi
>> > Anybody know the license to this project ?
>> >
>> > http://languagegame.org:8888/zoo/241
>> >
>> > I would like to work on a better paint system for Squeak / Etoys and
>> > this is
>> > a nice starting point.
>> >
>> >
>> > Karl
>> >
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>> >
>
>

> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>     At Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:32:51 +0900,
>     Kazuhiro ABE wrote:
>     >
>     > I talked with Thoru Yamamoto about the license.
>     > Unfortunately he doesn't want his code become a part of other
>     > software. Because he think it's quick-and-dirty and some codes have
>     > unknown origin.
>    
>      We could perhaps still talk him into clarifying the license terms of
>     the artwork.  The code may not be so good, but hopefully somebody
>     would be motivated to rewrite the code if there is a professionally
>     designed artwork.
>    
>     -- Yoshiki
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> I address this letter to you because I have a problem from a long time with
> the new versions of Etoys and because I know that you give importance to
> everything in relation with artistic creation. It's a small technical
> point, but its effects are important, however, on certain categories of
> graphical drawings and on children creations and I cannot be heard on this
> point. I talked of it with P.A. Dreyfuss and Hilaire Fernandes. This last
> advised me to send a letter to the community, but my comment did not
> caused reactions. This concerns the table of the thickness of lines
> proposed by the painting machine on drawing space. In all the new
> versions, the first thickness has been removed and replaced by that which
> previously was listed in position n° 2. The problem may seem of little
> importance in regard to all the improvements made otherwise. They enrich
> or facilitate the use of Etoys for experienced users or for children. But
> this deletion has repercussions on graphic realizations made on the
> painting screen. Those realizations are disadvantaged compared to those
> produced with the means of the world screen. This prejudice is
> particularly to be noted regarding drawings of young children because the
> new thickness of lines is less favorable to the narrative drawing. However
> the results obtained by drawings made with Etoys tools put them among the
> artistic tools of creation. But the removal of the thinnest line, on the
> painting machine, limits the possibilities of creation. I do not ask the
> rebuilding of the whole tool on painting screen.
> I just want to know if it is possible to replace, on one of the recent
> versions, (one of those with green bar, for example) only the previous
> table of line thicknesses (and not all the painting machine) to have
> thicknesses of lines in agreement with those we have on the World screen.
> Is this a change that requires a lot of work ?
> I join a series of pictures which are made with the old version Etoys 3.8.
> Now they are inaccessible with the new versions. ‘’People working
> exclusively with menus and programming of World objects are not affected
> by the shortcomings I noted ‘’ I count on you and on the aid of Pierre -
> André Dreyfuss and Hilaire Fernandes, to whom I submitted the request that
> I made you, to advocate for drawers and children and to obtain, besides
> the classic Etoys, a parallel version identical to the other but with a
> graphic orientation. Suzanne
> To see the text  ‘Gaphics in Etoys’
> http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Graphics_in_Etoys
>
> …….
> You will find here some of the emails exchanged when I submitted my request
> for advice to Hilaire Fernandes (creator of Dr.Geo) and to P.A. Dreyfuss
> (who is the author of the V- toys running on an Etoys environment and that
> can concern young children)
>
> From: "Hilaire Fernandes" [[hidden email]]
> Cela me semble bien argumenté.
>
> En fait ce que tu décris est un cas d'école sur développement user
> centered.
>
> La décision d'enlever la ligne de 1 pixel d'épaisseur fut prise sans
> consultation de l'utilisateur final. Ce sont des choses qui arrivent,
> cela m'est déjà arrivé de faire ce genre d'erreur sur DrGeo.
>
> Hilairefrom: "[hidden email] " <[hidden email]>
>
> Bonjour, j'ai la discussion sur la ligne fine.
>
> je pense aussi que la taille 1 est importante.
>
> J'ai fouillé le code pour voir ce que l'on peut faire en attendant.
>
> Ci-joint un projet avec une brique v-toys qui permet de changer la taille
> du pinceau.
>
> On désigne un bouton pinceau et on met la valeur de la taille dans
> l'affichage numérique.
>
> Pour l'instant l'affichage du nouvau pinceau ne marche pas bien pour
> retrouver la taille 1.