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Hi Folks, Is there any reason why "save and quit" is commented out of the world menu? It is what I want to do 90% of the time. Would be nice to have it back by default. - on TheWorldMenu>>buildWorldMenu "Build the menu that is put up when the screen-desktop is clicked on" | menu | ... self fillIn: menu from: { nil. ... "{'save and quit'. {self. #saveAndQuit}. 'save the current image on disk, and quit out of Squeak.'}." {'quit'. {self. #quitSession}. 'quit out of Squeak.'} }. ^ menu _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Oscar Nierstrasz wrote:
> Hi Folks, > > Is there any reason why "save and quit" is commented out of the world > menu? It is what I want to do 90% of the time. > > Would be nice to have it back by default. +10 _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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IIRC, you get the option to save whenever you try to quit.
So save and quit didn't really make sense, as it'd save, then ask you if you wanted to save again before actually quitting... Cheers, Henry Oscar Nierstrasz skrev: > Hi Folks, > > Is there any reason why "save and quit" is commented out of the world > menu? It is what I want to do 90% of the time. > > Would be nice to have it back by default. > > - on > > TheWorldMenu>>buildWorldMenu > "Build the menu that is put up when the screen-desktop is clicked on" > | menu | > ... > self fillIn: menu from: { > nil. > ... > "{'save and quit'. {self. #saveAndQuit}. 'save the current image on > disk, and quit out of Squeak.'}." > {'quit'. {self. #quitSession}. 'quit out of Squeak.'} > }. > ^ menu > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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this is why it was removed.
in fact there is no quit On Jun 10, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Henrik Johansen wrote: > IIRC, you get the option to save whenever you try to quit. > So save and quit didn't really make sense, as it'd save, then ask > you if > you wanted to save again before actually quitting... > > Cheers, > Henry > > Oscar Nierstrasz skrev: >> Hi Folks, >> >> Is there any reason why "save and quit" is commented out of the world >> menu? It is what I want to do 90% of the time. >> >> Would be nice to have it back by default. >> >> - on >> >> TheWorldMenu>>buildWorldMenu >> "Build the menu that is put up when the screen-desktop is clicked >> on" >> | menu | >> ... >> self fillIn: menu from: { >> nil. >> ... >> "{'save and quit'. {self. #saveAndQuit}. 'save the current image on >> disk, and quit out of Squeak.'}." >> {'quit'. {self. #quitSession}. 'quit out of Squeak.'} >> }. >> ^ menu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Nope. If I uncomment it, it works exactly as I want, which is to save and quit without any further prompting. - on On Jun 10, 2009, at 13:46, Henrik Johansen wrote: > IIRC, you get the option to save whenever you try to quit. > So save and quit didn't really make sense, as it'd save, then ask > you if > you wanted to save again before actually quitting... > > Cheers, > Henry > > Oscar Nierstrasz skrev: >> Hi Folks, >> >> Is there any reason why "save and quit" is commented out of the world >> menu? It is what I want to do 90% of the time. >> >> Would be nice to have it back by default. >> >> - on >> >> TheWorldMenu>>buildWorldMenu >> "Build the menu that is put up when the screen-desktop is clicked >> on" >> | menu | >> ... >> self fillIn: menu from: { >> nil. >> ... >> "{'save and quit'. {self. #saveAndQuit}. 'save the current image on >> disk, and quit out of Squeak.'}." >> {'quit'. {self. #quitSession}. 'quit out of Squeak.'} >> }. >> ^ menu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Oscar Nierstrasz wrote:
> Nope. > > If I uncomment it, it works exactly as I want, which is to save and > quit without any further prompting. +10, I hate that this was removed and always go and put it back in. I don't want to go through a two step process every time. -- Ramon Leon http://onsmalltalk.com _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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well there is tension between long menus and short menus.
and if we have already three items just to save we will end up been squeakish. So except if there is a huge pression or a cool argument we would like to keep save/quit and not have save/quit/save and quit > Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: >> Nope. >> >> If I uncomment it, it works exactly as I want, which is to save and >> quit without any further prompting. > > +10, I hate that this was removed and always go and put it back in. I > don't want to go through a two step process every time. > > -- > Ramon Leon > http://onsmalltalk.com > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> well there is tension between long menus and short menus. > and if we have already three items just to save we will end up been > squeakish. > So except if there is a huge pression or a cool argument we would like > to keep save/quit and not have save/quit/save and quit we could move save as and save as version into a save as sub-menu. that would leave save save as quit as choices. And we could actually remove quit ;-) as it is already handled by closing the window or quitting from the mac menu. Michael _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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> So except if there is a huge pression or a cool argument we would like
> to keep save/quit and not have save/quit/save and quit I am also in favor of adding "Save and quit". Get rid of "Save as new version" instead, I never use this one. Speaking of it, "Save as..." could be made a bit smarter and not suggest the same image name as default, but the next version. Lukas ;-) -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
And maybe, the posibility to save in a diferent path. ;-) Nico
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Love the minimal menus in Pharo.
Squeakish menus make me squeamish. Glad to not have Save and Quit Could lose Save as New Version. 2009/6/10 Nicolas Chillo <[hidden email]>: > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> > So except if there is a huge pression or a cool argument we would like >> > to keep save/quit and not have save/quit/save and quit >> >> I am also in favor of adding "Save and quit". >> >> Get rid of "Save as new version" instead, I never use this one. >> >> Speaking of it, "Save as..." could be made a bit smarter and not >> suggest the same image name as default, but the next version. > > And maybe, the posibility to save in a diferent path. ;-) > Nico > >> >> >> Lukas ;-) >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Jun 10, 2009, at 22:13 , Lukas Renggli wrote: >> So except if there is a huge pression or a cool argument we would >> like >> to keep save/quit and not have save/quit/save and quit > > I am also in favor of adding "Save and quit". > > Get rid of "Save as new version" instead, I never use this one. > > Speaking of it, "Save as..." could be made a bit smarter and not > suggest the same image name as default, but the next version. +1 Adrian _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Le 10-juin-09 à 22:11, Michael Rueger a écrit :
> we could move save as and save as version into a save as sub-menu. > that would leave > save > save as > quit > > as choices. I would prefer a menu like this : -'Save' -'Save ...' -> 'Save as', 'Save as new version', 'Save and Quit' -'Quit' Where the less used options are in a sub-menu. I'll be glad to have the "Save and Quit" option back :-) Antoine _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Lukas Renggli wrote:
>> So except if there is a huge pression or a cool argument we would like >> to keep save/quit and not have save/quit/save and quit > > I am also in favor of adding "Save and quit". > > Get rid of "Save as new version" instead, I never use this one. I use it at least once a day. You learn that when working on core stuff, one innocently looking change and there goes your image ;-) Michael _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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What about auto-adaptative menus learning your habits.
X most used items on top. Y often used items following. Every other less used items in submenus. Of course, a logical order could be preserved among the Y often used items. That's already the spirit of Pharo world menu, except this is a bit static for a dynamic language! Nicolas 2009/6/10 Antoine Marot <[hidden email]>: > Le 10-juin-09 à 22:11, Michael Rueger a écrit : >> we could move save as and save as version into a save as sub-menu. >> that would leave >> save >> save as >> quit >> >> as choices. > > > I would prefer a menu like this : > > -'Save' > -'Save ...' -> 'Save as', 'Save as new version', 'Save and Quit' > -'Quit' > > Where the less used options are in a sub-menu. > > I'll be glad to have the "Save and Quit" option back :-) > > > Antoine > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Nicolas Cellier wrote:
> What about auto-adaptative menus learning your habits. > > X most used items on top. > Y often used items following. > Every other less used items in submenus. you mean the most horrible idea MS ever had, changing menus? -10^age of the universe ;-) Michael _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Michael Rueger wrote: > Nicolas Cellier wrote: >> What about auto-adaptative menus learning your habits. >> >> X most used items on top. >> Y often used items following. >> Every other less used items in submenus. > > you mean the most horrible idea MS ever had, changing menus? > > -10^age of the universe ;-) > Hah! I agree wholeheartedly. Changing menus are not fun. I use Save and Quit all the time... this is starting to smell like a preference. If you want super short menus, then turn it off, if you want the convenience, then have it on... what say? - Brian > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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what about having a preference to enable/disable "save and quite" from menu?
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Brian Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
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How to customize the menus?
Customization == Preference, OK these are synonyms. Among the propositions so far: 1) override a method 2) some specific hard-wired Preferences 3) automatic some drawbacks: 1) require maintenance at each update 2) why a Preference for an item and not another ? 3) changing menus are painful (MS lacks some inertia for sure...) So far, I agree on 4) keep a simple static menu ...unless customization be accessible right from the menu (halos?) rather than from an obscure path. And easily undo-able (for example, items could be there but just undisplayed...) Nicolas 2009/6/11 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: > what about having a preference to enable/disable "save and quite" from menu? > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Brian Brown <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Michael Rueger wrote: >> >> > Nicolas Cellier wrote: >> >> What about auto-adaptative menus learning your habits. >> >> >> >> X most used items on top. >> >> Y often used items following. >> >> Every other less used items in submenus. >> > >> > you mean the most horrible idea MS ever had, changing menus? >> > >> > -10^age of the universe ;-) >> > >> >> Hah! I agree wholeheartedly. Changing menus are not fun. >> >> I use Save and Quit all the time... this is starting to smell like a >> preference. If you want super short menus, then turn it off, if you >> want the convenience, then have it on... >> >> what say? >> >> - Brian >> >> >> >> >> > Michael >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > [hidden email] >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Why not Lukas' proposal?
Other mails argued that we should not add "save and quit" because it increases the menu size. But with Lukas' suggestion the number of menu items stay the same, hence this argument does not hold. Mike argued he needs "save as new version" at least once a day. This is not lost as "Save as" does the trick. Adrian On Jun 11, 2009, at 02:28 , Nicolas Cellier wrote: > How to customize the menus? > Customization == Preference, OK these are synonyms. > > Among the propositions so far: > 1) override a method > 2) some specific hard-wired Preferences > 3) automatic > > some drawbacks: > 1) require maintenance at each update > 2) why a Preference for an item and not another ? > 3) changing menus are painful (MS lacks some inertia for sure...) > > So far, I agree on 4) keep a simple static menu > ...unless customization be accessible right from the menu (halos?) > rather than from an obscure path. > And easily undo-able (for example, items could be there but just > undisplayed...) > > Nicolas > > > 2009/6/11 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: >> what about having a preference to enable/disable "save and quite" >> from menu? >> >> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Brian Brown >> <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Michael Rueger wrote: >>> >>>> Nicolas Cellier wrote: >>>>> What about auto-adaptative menus learning your habits. >>>>> >>>>> X most used items on top. >>>>> Y often used items following. >>>>> Every other less used items in submenus. >>>> >>>> you mean the most horrible idea MS ever had, changing menus? >>>> >>>> -10^age of the universe ;-) >>>> >>> >>> Hah! I agree wholeheartedly. Changing menus are not fun. >>> >>> I use Save and Quit all the time... this is starting to smell like a >>> preference. If you want super short menus, then turn it off, if you >>> want the convenience, then have it on... >>> >>> what say? >>> >>> - Brian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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