about video games

> A friend of mine sent this interesting links
>
> http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/commentary/games/2008/09/gamesfrontiers_0908
>
>> http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/jan2009/id20090114_362962.htm
>
> Worth to read.
>
> Stef
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> On 2010-03-14, at 16:09, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine sent this interesting links
>>
>>
>> http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/commentary/games/2008/09/gamesfrontiers_0908
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/jan2009/id20090114_362962.htm
>>
>> Worth to read.
>>
>> Stef
>
>
> The students might have employed the scientific method, but the article
> itself is  not a good example of even populist science writing.
>
> The author states that enrollment in the sciences has fallen because of
> boring presentation of facts and that video games offer a rejuvenated quest
> for facts. How do we know that enrollment has declined for that claimed
> reason? How do we know that it's not the subject matter of video games that
> interests the students, and that students won't shoe the same disinterest
> when we apply video games to, say, biology or particle physics?
>
> I would never discard a new viable approach to teaching and learning, but
> this sounds a lot like the ethanol solution to climate change.
>

> On 15 March 2010 02:59, Michael J. Forster <[hidden email]>  
> wrote:
>> On 2010-03-14, at 16:09, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.
>> fr> wrote:
>>
>>> A friend of mine sent this interesting links
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/commentary/games/2008/09/gamesfrontiers_0908
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/jan2009/id20090114_362962.htm
>>>
>>> Worth to read.
>>>
>>> Stef
>>
>>
>> The students might have employed the scientific method, but the  
>> article
>> itself is  not a good example of even populist science writing.
>>
>> The author states that enrollment in the sciences has fallen  
>> because of
>> boring presentation of facts and that video games offer a  
>> rejuvenated quest
>> for facts. How do we know that enrollment has declined for that  
>> claimed
>> reason? How do we know that it's not the subject matter of video  
>> games that
>> interests the students, and that students won't shoe the same  
>> disinterest
>> when we apply video games to, say, biology or particle physics?
>>
>> I would never discard a new viable approach to teaching and  
>> learning, but
>> this sounds a lot like the ethanol solution to climate change.
>>
>
> Hmm, i didn't read a second link, but from a first one i think it  
> says that
> it doesn't makes students to be more interested in theory or
> fundamental science.
> What it does, is teaching them the way of thinking, exactly how
> scientific method works.
> So, then, once they realising that, it is much easier for them to
> learn more diffucult things
> and apply the same approach to a different areas.

> On 15 March 2010 02:59, Michael J. Forster <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 2010-03-14, at 16:09, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> A friend of mine sent this interesting links
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/commentary/games/2008/09/gamesfrontiers_0908
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/jan2009/id20090114_362962.htm
>>>
>>> Worth to read.
>>>
>>> Stef
>>
>>
>> The students might have employed the scientific method, but the article
>> itself is  not a good example of even populist science writing.
>>
>> The author states that enrollment in the sciences has fallen because of
>> boring presentation of facts and that video games offer a rejuvenated quest
>> for facts. How do we know that enrollment has declined for that claimed
>> reason? How do we know that it's not the subject matter of video games that
>> interests the students, and that students won't shoe the same disinterest
>> when we apply video games to, say, biology or particle physics?
>>
>> I would never discard a new viable approach to teaching and learning, but
>> this sounds a lot like the ethanol solution to climate change.
>>
>
> Hmm, i didn't read a second link, but from a first one i think it says that
> it doesn't makes students to be more interested in theory or
> fundamental science.
> What it does, is teaching them the way of thinking, exactly how
> scientific method works.
> So, then, once they realising that, it is much easier for them to
> learn more diffucult things
> and apply the same approach to a different areas.
>
>
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> On 15 March 2010 08:00, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> the second is scary :)
>>
> WoW and alike is the most stupid games i ever seen. What is
> frustrating that these games are not progressing over a years,
> no! Instead i see the tendency how they becoming less and less
> challenging to players.
> Every new game i read about or taking a look - everything is the same,
> just with more fancy graphics.
>
> Raising a herd of 'creative' executives using WoW, would be a
> stupidiest thing which i would do :)
> Because its pool of creativity is very shallow and primitive.
>
> "The degree of complexity and challenge increases dramatically as you
> advance across levels, and the number of experience points needed in
> order to advance also increases sharply with each level."
>
> Bullshit. The degree of complexity and challenges become same. Its
> just become more time consuming,
> because a usual quest, on say level 5 is to kill 10 monsters,
> and on level 50 is to kill 100 or 200 monsters. This is an 'increase'
> of challenge :)
>
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> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.