[ann] gtspotter: a moldable interface for spotting objects

Hi,

This is really great - one minor thing - I didn’t know how to launch the search screen until I accidentally hit cmd+enter (muscle memory from another IDE).

Would be nice to explain cmd+enter to launch in the description page.

Cheers,

-Ed

On Dec 7, 2014, at 5:14 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

Alex Syrel, Andrei Chis and I are happy to announce a new addition to the Glamorous Toolkit: 

GTSpotter, a novel interface for spotting objects.

GTSpotter has two goals:

- Provide a uniform yet moldable interface that can work on any object, and

- Handle searching through arbitrary levels of object nesting.

We think this will have a significant impact on the development workflow in Pharo.

Here is a couple of screenshots:

<gtspotter-packages-classes.png> <gtspotter-dive-class-method-sender.png> <gtspotter-playground.png>

A trailer is available here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSmjR3NOlU

A detailed description is available here:

http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/introducing-gtspotter

It works already in Pharo 3.0 and can be played with by following the instructions from:

http://gt.moosetechnology.org

Please let us know what you think.

Enjoy,

The Glamorous Team

OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.

I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):

To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.

So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category

> On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
>
> Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
>
> In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
>
> I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sorry, but no :-(
>
> I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
>
> > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> >
> > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> >
> > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
>
>
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Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.

Cheers,

Doru

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.

I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):

To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.

So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category

> On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
>
> Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
>
> In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
>
> I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sorry, but no :-(
>
> I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
>
> > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> >
> > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> >
> > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> --
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>
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"Every thing has its own flow"

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dont know if this is auto completion replacement or not, from the looks of it seem a lot more than that. Auto completion is one of the thing that annoys me in Pharo and this looks like a very good replacement. 

So the gui is also made with Glamour ? 

No it's in Brick. Brick is a small extension that we made to Morphic to make it a little more faster and to control resizing better.

So it's Morphic not Glamour :)

Cheers,

Andrei

 

Look very good looking and very useful cant wait to try it :) 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.

Cheers,

Doru

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.

I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):

To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.

So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category

> On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
>
> Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
>
> In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
>
> I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sorry, but no :-(
>
> I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
>
> > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> >
> > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> >
> > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"



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"Every thing has its own flow"

sounds very interesting cant wait to try it and take a look also at Brick. 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Andrei Chis <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dont know if this is auto completion replacement or not, from the looks of it seem a lot more than that. Auto completion is one of the thing that annoys me in Pharo and this looks like a very good replacement. 

So the gui is also made with Glamour ? 

No it's in Brick. Brick is a small extension that we made to Morphic to make it a little more faster and to control resizing better.

So it's Morphic not Glamour :)

Cheers,

Andrei

 

Look very good looking and very useful cant wait to try it :) 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.

Cheers,

Doru

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.

I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):

To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.

So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category

> On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
>
> Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
>
> In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
>
> I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sorry, but no :-(
>
> I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
>
> > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> >
> > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> >
> > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
>
>
>
> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
>
> Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"



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"Every thing has its own flow"

There is a pre-built image here http://gt.moosetechnology.org

> On 09 Dec 2014, at 11:08, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So how I can give this a try, I downloaded latest moose 5.0 and there is no GTSpotter inside
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:27 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> sounds very interesting cant wait to try it and take a look also at Brick.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Andrei Chis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dont know if this is auto completion replacement or not, from the looks of it seem a lot more than that. Auto completion is one of the thing that annoys me in Pharo and this looks like a very good replacement.
>
> So the gui is also made with Glamour ?
>
> No it's in Brick. Brick is a small extension that we made to Morphic to make it a little more faster and to control resizing better.
> So it's Morphic not Glamour :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Andrei
>
>
> Look very good looking and very useful cant wait to try it :)
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
> I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.
>
> I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):
>
> To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
>
> So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
> Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
> >
> > Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
> >
> > In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
> >
> > I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Sorry, but no :-(
> >
> > I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
> >
> > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> > >
> > > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> > >
> > > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> >
> >
> >
> > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
> >
> > Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> > PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
>
> Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
>

There is a pre-built image here http://gt.moosetechnology.org

> On 09 Dec 2014, at 11:08, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So how I can give this a try, I downloaded latest moose 5.0 and there is no GTSpotter inside
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:27 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> sounds very interesting cant wait to try it and take a look also at Brick.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Andrei Chis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dont know if this is auto completion replacement or not, from the looks of it seem a lot more than that. Auto completion is one of the thing that annoys me in Pharo and this looks like a very good replacement.
>
> So the gui is also made with Glamour ?
>
> No it's in Brick. Brick is a small extension that we made to Morphic to make it a little more faster and to control resizing better.
> So it's Morphic not Glamour :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Andrei
>
>
> Look very good looking and very useful cant wait to try it :)
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
> I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.
>
> I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):
>
> To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
>
> So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
> Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
> >
> > Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
> >
> > In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
> >
> > I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Sorry, but no :-(
> >
> > I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
> >
> > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> > >
> > > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> > >
> > > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> >
> >
> >
> > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
> >
> > Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> > PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
>
> Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
>

thanks but that was not necessary, apparently GTSpotter is not added to the world menus and it can only be triggered with a shortcut that the blog post does not mention which is alt+enter.  

This an awesome tool. love it :)

Question : how I expand the search results , for example it gives a 5/30 classes how I can see all 30 classes that are the search result ? 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:

There is a pre-built image here http://gt.moosetechnology.org

> On 09 Dec 2014, at 11:08, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So how I can give this a try, I downloaded latest moose 5.0 and there is no GTSpotter inside
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:27 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> sounds very interesting cant wait to try it and take a look also at Brick.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Andrei Chis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dont know if this is auto completion replacement or not, from the looks of it seem a lot more than that. Auto completion is one of the thing that annoys me in Pharo and this looks like a very good replacement.
>
> So the gui is also made with Glamour ?
>
> No it's in Brick. Brick is a small extension that we made to Morphic to make it a little more faster and to control resizing better.
> So it's Morphic not Glamour :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Andrei
>
>
> Look very good looking and very useful cant wait to try it :)
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
> I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.
>
> I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):
>
> To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
>
> So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
> Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
> >
> > Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
> >
> > In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
> >
> > I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Sorry, but no :-(
> >
> > I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
> >
> > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> > >
> > > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> > >
> > > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> >
> >
> >
> > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
> >
> > Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> > PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
>
> Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
>

This is described briefly in the post, but Johan had also a problem with the description.

So, if you want to see all 30 classes, you dive in the category through Cmd+Shift+RightArrow. This spawns the collection with the results and you can continue searching.

Let me know if it works for you.

Doru

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:28 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

thanks but that was not necessary, apparently GTSpotter is not added to the world menus and it can only be triggered with a shortcut that the blog post does not mention which is alt+enter.  

This an awesome tool. love it :)

Question : how I expand the search results , for example it gives a 5/30 classes how I can see all 30 classes that are the search result ? 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:

There is a pre-built image here http://gt.moosetechnology.org

> On 09 Dec 2014, at 11:08, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So how I can give this a try, I downloaded latest moose 5.0 and there is no GTSpotter inside
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:27 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> sounds very interesting cant wait to try it and take a look also at Brick.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Andrei Chis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dont know if this is auto completion replacement or not, from the looks of it seem a lot more than that. Auto completion is one of the thing that annoys me in Pharo and this looks like a very good replacement.
>
> So the gui is also made with Glamour ?
>
> No it's in Brick. Brick is a small extension that we made to Morphic to make it a little more faster and to control resizing better.
> So it's Morphic not Glamour :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Andrei
>
>
> Look very good looking and very useful cant wait to try it :)
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
> I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.
>
> I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):
>
> To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
>
> So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
> Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
> >
> > Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
> >
> > In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
> >
> > I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Sorry, but no :-(
> >
> > I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
> >
> > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> > >
> > > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> > >
> > > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> >
> >
> >
> > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
> >
> > Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> > PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
>
> Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
>

--

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

no that was 100% my fault , its clear in your blog post I just did not get it at first read.

It works using Ubuntu its alt+shift+rightarrow 

I am seriously impressed with your work guys, this takes pharo to another level.  Thank you. 

If I could make some early requests, I would like the option to pin the GTSpotter window and also move it around if I want to keep it as reference. Since this could work as an excellent finder replacement too. 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

This is described briefly in the post, but Johan had also a problem with the description.

So, if you want to see all 30 classes, you dive in the category through Cmd+Shift+RightArrow. This spawns the collection with the results and you can continue searching.

Let me know if it works for you.

Doru

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:28 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

thanks but that was not necessary, apparently GTSpotter is not added to the world menus and it can only be triggered with a shortcut that the blog post does not mention which is alt+enter.  

This an awesome tool. love it :)

Question : how I expand the search results , for example it gives a 5/30 classes how I can see all 30 classes that are the search result ? 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:

There is a pre-built image here http://gt.moosetechnology.org

> On 09 Dec 2014, at 11:08, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So how I can give this a try, I downloaded latest moose 5.0 and there is no GTSpotter inside
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:27 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> sounds very interesting cant wait to try it and take a look also at Brick.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Andrei Chis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dont know if this is auto completion replacement or not, from the looks of it seem a lot more than that. Auto completion is one of the thing that annoys me in Pharo and this looks like a very good replacement.
>
> So the gui is also made with Glamour ?
>
> No it's in Brick. Brick is a small extension that we made to Morphic to make it a little more faster and to control resizing better.
> So it's Morphic not Glamour :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Andrei
>
>
> Look very good looking and very useful cant wait to try it :)
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
> I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.
>
> I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):
>
> To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
>
> So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
> Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
> >
> > Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
> >
> > In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
> >
> > I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Sorry, but no :-(
> >
> > I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
> >
> > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> > >
> > > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> > >
> > > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> >
> >
> >
> > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
> >
> > Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> > PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
>
> Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
>

--

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

Hi,

At the moment, you can easily get back to the previous context through the history category.

Doru

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

no that was 100% my fault , its clear in your blog post I just did not get it at first read.

It works using Ubuntu its alt+shift+rightarrow 

I am seriously impressed with your work guys, this takes pharo to another level.  Thank you. 

If I could make some early requests, I would like the option to pin the GTSpotter window and also move it around if I want to keep it as reference. Since this could work as an excellent finder replacement too. 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

This is described briefly in the post, but Johan had also a problem with the description.

So, if you want to see all 30 classes, you dive in the category through Cmd+Shift+RightArrow. This spawns the collection with the results and you can continue searching.

Let me know if it works for you.

Doru

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:28 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

thanks but that was not necessary, apparently GTSpotter is not added to the world menus and it can only be triggered with a shortcut that the blog post does not mention which is alt+enter.  

This an awesome tool. love it :)

Question : how I expand the search results , for example it gives a 5/30 classes how I can see all 30 classes that are the search result ? 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:

There is a pre-built image here http://gt.moosetechnology.org

> On 09 Dec 2014, at 11:08, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So how I can give this a try, I downloaded latest moose 5.0 and there is no GTSpotter inside
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:27 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> sounds very interesting cant wait to try it and take a look also at Brick.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Andrei Chis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dont know if this is auto completion replacement or not, from the looks of it seem a lot more than that. Auto completion is one of the thing that annoys me in Pharo and this looks like a very good replacement.
>
> So the gui is also made with Glamour ?
>
> No it's in Brick. Brick is a small extension that we made to Morphic to make it a little more faster and to control resizing better.
> So it's Morphic not Glamour :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Andrei
>
>
> Look very good looking and very useful cant wait to try it :)
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
> I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.
>
> I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):
>
> To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
>
> So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
> Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
> >
> > Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
> >
> > In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
> >
> > I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Sorry, but no :-(
> >
> > I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
> >
> > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> > >
> > > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> > >
> > > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> >
> >
> >
> > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
> >
> > Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> > PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
>
> Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
>

--

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

--

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:05 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

yeap thats a great feature to have too. I would love also more info ( when you find the time I am in no rush ) about customizing GTSpotter. Now back to having fun with this tool and reading its code :)

What do you need to know. At the bottom of the post, there is an example of how the classes and methods search is done. Do you need more information?

PS: makes me wonder if I could use it to search for keyboard shortcuts 

Why not? Give it a try. You probably should extend Morph for that :)

Cheers,

Doru

 

 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

At the moment, you can easily get back to the previous context through the history category.

Doru

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

no that was 100% my fault , its clear in your blog post I just did not get it at first read.

It works using Ubuntu its alt+shift+rightarrow 

I am seriously impressed with your work guys, this takes pharo to another level.  Thank you. 

If I could make some early requests, I would like the option to pin the GTSpotter window and also move it around if I want to keep it as reference. Since this could work as an excellent finder replacement too. 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

This is described briefly in the post, but Johan had also a problem with the description.

So, if you want to see all 30 classes, you dive in the category through Cmd+Shift+RightArrow. This spawns the collection with the results and you can continue searching.

Let me know if it works for you.

Doru

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:28 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

thanks but that was not necessary, apparently GTSpotter is not added to the world menus and it can only be triggered with a shortcut that the blog post does not mention which is alt+enter.  

This an awesome tool. love it :)

Question : how I expand the search results , for example it gives a 5/30 classes how I can see all 30 classes that are the search result ? 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:

There is a pre-built image here http://gt.moosetechnology.org

> On 09 Dec 2014, at 11:08, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So how I can give this a try, I downloaded latest moose 5.0 and there is no GTSpotter inside
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:27 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> sounds very interesting cant wait to try it and take a look also at Brick.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Andrei Chis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dont know if this is auto completion replacement or not, from the looks of it seem a lot more than that. Auto completion is one of the thing that annoys me in Pharo and this looks like a very good replacement.
>
> So the gui is also made with Glamour ?
>
> No it's in Brick. Brick is a small extension that we made to Morphic to make it a little more faster and to control resizing better.
> So it's Morphic not Glamour :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Andrei
>
>
> Look very good looking and very useful cant wait to try it :)
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
> I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.
>
> I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):
>
> To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
>
> So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
> Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
> >
> > Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
> >
> > In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
> >
> > I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Sorry, but no :-(
> >
> > I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
> >
> > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> > >
> > > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> > >
> > > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> >
> >
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"What do you need to know. At the bottom of the post, there is an example of how the classes and methods search is done. Do you need more information?"

Yes I noticed, give me time to really dive into the code and see what new questions I have.

"Why not? Give it a try. You probably should extend Morph for that :)"

I dont remember if it was Sven once offered a piece of code to return all defined shortcuts, will dig it out.  

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:05 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

yeap thats a great feature to have too. I would love also more info ( when you find the time I am in no rush ) about customizing GTSpotter. Now back to having fun with this tool and reading its code :)

What do you need to know. At the bottom of the post, there is an example of how the classes and methods search is done. Do you need more information?

PS: makes me wonder if I could use it to search for keyboard shortcuts 

Why not? Give it a try. You probably should extend Morph for that :)

Cheers,

Doru

 

 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

At the moment, you can easily get back to the previous context through the history category.

Doru

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

no that was 100% my fault , its clear in your blog post I just did not get it at first read.

It works using Ubuntu its alt+shift+rightarrow 

I am seriously impressed with your work guys, this takes pharo to another level.  Thank you. 

If I could make some early requests, I would like the option to pin the GTSpotter window and also move it around if I want to keep it as reference. Since this could work as an excellent finder replacement too. 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

This is described briefly in the post, but Johan had also a problem with the description.

So, if you want to see all 30 classes, you dive in the category through Cmd+Shift+RightArrow. This spawns the collection with the results and you can continue searching.

Let me know if it works for you.

Doru

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:28 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

thanks but that was not necessary, apparently GTSpotter is not added to the world menus and it can only be triggered with a shortcut that the blog post does not mention which is alt+enter.  

This an awesome tool. love it :)

Question : how I expand the search results , for example it gives a 5/30 classes how I can see all 30 classes that are the search result ? 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:

There is a pre-built image here http://gt.moosetechnology.org

> On 09 Dec 2014, at 11:08, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So how I can give this a try, I downloaded latest moose 5.0 and there is no GTSpotter inside
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:27 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> sounds very interesting cant wait to try it and take a look also at Brick.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Andrei Chis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dont know if this is auto completion replacement or not, from the looks of it seem a lot more than that. Auto completion is one of the thing that annoys me in Pharo and this looks like a very good replacement.
>
> So the gui is also made with Glamour ?
>
> No it's in Brick. Brick is a small extension that we made to Morphic to make it a little more faster and to control resizing better.
> So it's Morphic not Glamour :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Andrei
>
>
> Look very good looking and very useful cant wait to try it :)
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, Johan. I will change the text and we will definitely look into making the shortcuts more apparent.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> OK now I get it … thanks for clarifying!
> I think my confusion stems from the use of ‘category' and then talking about 'the collection object’, which made me think about collections and source code and protocols and packages and I got lost.
>
> I think that the sentence of the blog would be clearer like this (uppercase to show changes):
>
> To do this, GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a RESULTS category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection OF RESULTS OF that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
>
> So then, my suggestion for a legend at the bottom of the results list would be:
> Cmd+Shift+ArrowUp/ArrowDown = Next/Prev category, Cmd+RightArrow = Dive into Result, Cmd+Shift+RightArrow = Dive into Category
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:48, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok. Let's take it step by step and see if we cannot find a better way of explaining.
> >
> > Take a look at the first picture in the blog post. Entering GTSpo shows results both for Classes and for Packages. These "Classes" and "Packages" are what we call search categories, and they have associated a query processor that can populate them with results (see the "Spotting your objects" section from the bottom of the post).
> >
> > In our case, we get 39 classes (of which only 5 are shown) and 1 package that match the query. If you want to look at all those 39 classes, you can dive in the whole collection behind the category in a separate step. This is achieved through Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight. Does it make more sense now?
> >
> > I did not consider the category to be confusing. Would you propose another name?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Sorry, but no :-(
> >
> > I am always confused when people say ‘category’ because the word has so many overloaded meanings. The same happens in the blog post, it is not clear to me what category means here, and what does it have to do with the collection object?
> >
> > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:16, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes, we will still evolve the UI. At the very least you will get the shortkeys directly on the actions.
> > >
> > > The answer to your question is in the blog post:
> > > GTSpotter offers an extra action: diving in a category. Pressing Cmd+Shift+ArrowRight dives in the collection object containing only the items from that category. Thus, we can continue refining the search inside the category.
> > >
> > > So, you will open the collection of that sub-category and you will see more items at once (not just 5). Is it clearer now?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> >
> >
> >
> > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
> >
> > Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> > PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
>
> Johan Fabry   -   http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry
> PLEIAD lab  -  Computer Science Department (DCC)  -  University of Chile
>
>
>
>
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> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"
>
>
>
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