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   1. Re: PharoJVM (Ben Coman)


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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 22:16:58 +0800
From: Ben Coman [hidden email]
To: Any question about pharo is welcome [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM
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On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 8:41 PM, [hidden email] [hidden email] wrote:

Java cannot do become:, so, that's not going to be a "real" smalltalk.

I do work w/ Java & Scala on a project.

First, JAR hell -> productivity killer

Second, lots of infrastructure needed: IDE, Maven, Artifactory, ... ->
another productivity killer

Long story short: prototype the thing in Pharo and if good enough, run it
there. I've done that for one project of late. Net resut: it takes 5x the engineers
and 3x the time to do the same in X than with Pharo.

A nice insight to a very interesting marketing technique ;)  Many know
the quote "Plan to throw one away."
So you don't need to convince them upfront to adopt a technology
unknown to them - but then they see it working and balance that
against dollars.  I guess if later Pharo encounters some
insurmountable barrier, they can still do the originally planned
re-inplementation in Java they originally planned - without too much
loss of face - but they get to do it from a well worn prototype.

cheers -ben

If you want to do Java/Scala, by all means, go there. But why the hell is
this going to be so important?

Read
https://www.quora.com/Of-the-emerging-systems-languages-Rust-D-Go-and-Nim-which-is-the-strongest-language-and-why

for lots of pro/cons arguments on other languages (which do not give a shit
about Java mean you).


Phil






On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 11:41 AM, horrido [hidden email] wrote:

At  Redmonk
<http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2015/07/01/language-rankings-6-15/>
, Scala is a top 20 language (position #14). It's a widely used language,
too, though not in the same league as Java nor Python. Even Clojure and
Groovy are in the top 20.

Scala is much, much more popular and widely used than Smalltalk. If
Smalltalk could rise to Scala's level, it would be a huge win.

The reason Amber and Redline and others have never achieved popularity is
primarily due to the lack of proper marketing. There are a gazillion
programming languages out there vying for developer attention. Smalltalk
is
completely lost in the noise. It's a great platform, but if it doesn't
have
developer /mindshare/, people won't try it. How do you think they'll find
their way to Smalltalk/Pharo? By divination?



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