call for better pop up messages and UI for them

IIUC your complaint is about the verbosity of the messages.  Will return later on.  My gripe with those two dialogs is that there should be a single one, so as quickly as possible the phenomenon you mention in your complaint ("...I know by heart...") happen to new users of Pharo.

I agree (perhaps due have been spoiled by VW) that we should have three choices: discard changes, save changes or Cancel meaning "continue editing".

OTOH a more or less verbose message could come depending upon some setting.

Em 19/08/2009 18:25, Stéphane Ducasse < [hidden email] > escreveu:

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of course I forgot this one.

Changes have not been saved.

(Discard changes) (Keep changes)


On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:17 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

> hi guys
>
> I do not you but me I'm losing half of a second to read (even if I
> know it by hearth) this stupid window
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It would be so cool to have only two buttons because I do not
> understand what is the field input and the cancel
>
> and two buttons
> (Discard changes) (Keep changes)
>
> I'm so stupid: I do not understand what is cancel here (of course
> this is cancel the change of method
> but in UI flow I do not know that I was selecting or changing - now
> I get this crappy question and
> I panic ....
>
> Any taker?
>
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Yes, and this is more on par with other Smalltalks.


Em 20/08/2009 04:41, Lukas Renggli < [hidden email] > escreveu:

Why can't it be done *exactly* the same way as it is handled in all
"reasonable" desktop applications such Apple Works or Microsoft
Office?

Do you want to accept the changes you made?
Your changes will be lost if you don't accept them.

Don't Accept

Cancel
Accept

Cheers,
Lukas

2009/8/20 Stéphane Ducasse :

>
> On Aug 20, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>
>> Doesn't (Keep original method) imply that the old version of the
>> method, the one before you started editing, will be kept (which would
>> be the same like discarding the changes)?
>>
>> Therefore, I like best:
>>
>>> (Discard changes) (Don't do anything)
>>
>> Or what about?
>>
>> (D iscard changes) (Back)
>
>
> yes this one or the previous one is good.
>
> Stef
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2009, at 09:20 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> yes, this old dialog is really bad from a usability point of view.
>>>>
>>>> For your improved dialog, what does "Keep changes" do? If it is the
>>>> old behavior of "Cancel" then this may be a bit misleading because
>>>> nothing is saved, you just stop moving the focus away from the
>>>> method.
>>>> Maybe something along the lines of "Back to modified method" would
>>>> be
>>>> better?
>>>
>>>
>>>      (Discard changes) (Don't)
>>>      (Discard changes) (Don't do anything)
>>>      (Discard changes) (Keep original method)        <- probably better
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 19, 2009, at 23:25 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> of course I forgot this one.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Changes have not been saved.
>>>>>
>>>>>            (Discard changes)     (Keep changes)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:17 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi guys
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not you but me I'm losing half of a second to read (even if I
>>>>>> know it by hearth) this stupid window
> >>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be so cool to have only two buttons because I do not
>>>>>> understand what is the field input and the cancel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and two buttons
>>>>>>   (Discard changes) (Keep changes)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm so stupid: I do not understand what is cancel here (of course
>>>>>> this is cancel the change of method
>>>>>> but in UI flow I do not know that I was selecting or changing -
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> I get this crappy question and
>>>>>> I panic ....
>>>>>>
>>>&g t;>> Any taker?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stef_______________________________________________
>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-
>>>>>> project
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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