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Gente de Cuis, necesito hacer correr un smalltalk en una pda con wince vers 5.0 desearia podes usar smallltalk, me comentaron que Cuis corría o corre en pda.
Cualquier idea sera agradecida
saludos Juan Marcelo Diaz Corte
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Hola Juan,
Necesitas una VM para tu plataforma. Yo usé hace tiempo una de http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/WinCE/ , la no GAPI. Estas VMs son viejas, y no soportan closures. Así que pueden correr Cuis 1.0, pero no versiones más nuevas. Por supuesto, también podés compilar tu propia VM. Saludos, Juan Vuletich Juan wrote: > Juan > > > Gente de Cuis, necesito hacer correr un smalltalk en una pda con wince > vers 5.0 > desearia podes usar smallltalk, me comentaron que Cuis corría o corre > en pda. > Cualquier idea sera agradecida > saludos > Juan Marcelo Diaz Corte > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cuis mailing list > [hidden email] > http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Se certificó que el correo no contiene virus. > Comprobada por AVG - www.avg.es <http://www.avg.es> > Versión: 2012.0.2196 / Base de datos de virus: 2437/5201 - Fecha de la > versión: 14/08/2012 > _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
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Juan(s),
Do you mind translating for me? Thank you! Jerry On Aug 14, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hola Juan, > > Necesitas una VM para tu plataforma. Yo usé hace tiempo una de http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/WinCE/ , la no GAPI. Estas VMs son viejas, y no soportan closures. Así que pueden correr Cuis 1.0, pero no versiones más nuevas. > > Por supuesto, también podés compilar tu propia VM. > > Saludos, > Juan Vuletich > > Juan wrote: >> Juan >> >> >> Gente de Cuis, necesito hacer correr un smalltalk en una pda con wince vers 5.0 >> desearia podes usar smallltalk, me comentaron que Cuis corría o corre en pda. >> Cualquier idea sera agradecida >> saludos Juan Marcelo Diaz Corte >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cuis mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Se certificó que el correo no contiene virus. >> Comprobada por AVG - www.avg.es <http://www.avg.es> >> Versión: 2012.0.2196 / Base de datos de virus: 2437/5201 - Fecha de la versión: 14/08/2012 >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cuis mailing list > [hidden email] > http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
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Hi Jerry!
I hope you're doing well. Haven't had news from you for some time... My apologies. I answered Juan's message without realizing that it was in foreign language for this list... Thanks! Juan Diaz said: People of Cuis, I need to run a Smalltalk on a PDA with WinCE 5.0. Someone told me Cuis could run on PDA. Any idea is welcome. And I answered: You need a VM for your platform. Some time ago I used one from http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/WinCE/ , the non GAPI one. These VMs are old, and they don't support closures. Therefore they can run Cuis 1.0, but not newer versions. You can also compile your own VM. Cheers, Juan Vuletich Jerry Bell wrote: > Juan(s), > > Do you mind translating for me? > > Thank you! > > Jerry > > On Aug 14, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]> wrote: > > >> Hola Juan, >> >> Necesitas una VM para tu plataforma. Yo usé hace tiempo una de http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/WinCE/ , la no GAPI. Estas VMs son viejas, y no soportan closures. Así que pueden correr Cuis 1.0, pero no versiones más nuevas. >> >> Por supuesto, también podés compilar tu propia VM. >> >> Saludos, >> Juan Vuletich >> >> Juan wrote: >> >>> Juan >>> >>> >>> Gente de Cuis, necesito hacer correr un smalltalk en una pda con wince vers 5.0 >>> desearia podes usar smallltalk, me comentaron que Cuis corría o corre en pda. >>> Cualquier idea sera agradecida >>> saludos Juan Marcelo Diaz Corte >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
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Thank you Juan!
Yes, I've been pretty quiet. All my free time has been taken up with the new baby! The mention of Windows CE caught my eye. We have some Windows Mobile 5 and 6 ruggedized PDA devices here that I would like to run Smalltalk on. I've read a little about the old WinCE VM and I believe that it would be possible to build a much better VM for the Windows CE 5.0 based devices. Mainly, the memory model has changed so it should be easier to access much larger chunks of memory than before. Please see the following link: http://denniskrabbe.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/windows-mobile-heaps-from-the-large-memory-area/ I haven't decided to pursue this yet for a couple of reasons. First, it would involve VM level work which I'm not very comfortable with. That's not a big deal, as I believe it would be a fun project and I'm sure I would learn a lot. Second, and more worrisome, Windows Mobile 5 and 6 seem to be a dead-end platform. The new Windows Phone stuff is completey different. I'm not sure I want to invest a lot of time and effort into a dead-end platform. On the other hand, as far as I can tell, these ruggedized "enterprise digital assistant" devices (like the Symbol / Motorola MC75) will be using Windows Mobile for the forseeable future, so it might be worth the effort. For me, a lot will depend on whether the company I work for decides to continue using the ruggedized handheld devices, or switches to iPad or Android tablets with waterproof cases. In the meantime, I'm interested to hear from anyone who is working on the WinCE VM! Jerry On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Jerry! > > I hope you're doing well. Haven't had news from you for some time... > > My apologies. I answered Juan's message without realizing that it was in > foreign language for this list... Thanks! > > Juan Diaz said: > People of Cuis, I need to run a Smalltalk on a PDA with WinCE 5.0. Someone > told me Cuis could run on PDA. Any idea is welcome. > > And I answered: > You need a VM for your platform. Some time ago I used one from > http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/WinCE/ , the non GAPI one. These > VMs are old, and they don't support closures. Therefore they can run Cuis > 1.0, but not newer versions. You can also compile your own VM. > > Cheers, > Juan Vuletich > > > Jerry Bell wrote: >> >> Juan(s), >> >> Do you mind translating for me? >> Thank you! >> >> Jerry >> >> On Aug 14, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Hola Juan, >>> >>> Necesitas una VM para tu plataforma. Yo usé hace tiempo una de >>> http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/WinCE/ , la no GAPI. Estas VMs >>> son viejas, y no soportan closures. Así que pueden correr Cuis 1.0, pero no >>> versiones más nuevas. >>> >>> Por supuesto, también podés compilar tu propia VM. >>> >>> Saludos, >>> Juan Vuletich >>> >>> Juan wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Juan >>>> >>>> >>>> Gente de Cuis, necesito hacer correr un smalltalk en una pda con wince >>>> vers 5.0 >>>> desearia podes usar smallltalk, me comentaron que Cuis corría o corre en >>>> pda. >>>> Cualquier idea sera agradecida >>>> saludos Juan Marcelo Diaz Corte >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cuis mailing list > [hidden email] > http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
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Yo debo aprender a construir la VM. Nunca he hecho, en parte porque la documentación parece obsoleta, y en parte porque soy vago. I don't know how to say this in Spanish: (help?) I worry about losing compatibility with VMMaker, so I'd love to see folks making VMs with Cuis on a regular basis. Tal vez le daré un tiro y documento el proceso. Si terminas rodando un cierre habilitado VM para WinCE, por favor comparta sus resultados con la lista de VM-dev, como pueden haber otras personas que se beneficiarían de sus resultados. --Casey P.S. Por favor perdona a mi español, como soy un donut de jalea. On Aug 15, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Jerry Bell <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Jerry Bell wrote:
> Thank you Juan! > > Yes, I've been pretty quiet. All my free time has been taken up with > the new baby! > Congrats! Enjoy your new life! > The mention of Windows CE caught my eye. We have some Windows Mobile > 5 and 6 ruggedized PDA devices here that I would like to run Smalltalk > on. I've read a little about the old WinCE VM and I believe that it > would be possible to build a much better VM for the Windows CE 5.0 > based devices. Mainly, the memory model has changed so it should be > easier to access much larger chunks of memory than before. Please see > the following link: > > http://denniskrabbe.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/windows-mobile-heaps-from-the-large-memory-area/ > > I haven't decided to pursue this yet for a couple of reasons. First, > it would involve VM level work which I'm not very comfortable with. > That's not a big deal, as I believe it would be a fun project and I'm > sure I would learn a lot. Second, and more worrisome, Windows Mobile > 5 and 6 seem to be a dead-end platform. The new Windows Phone stuff > is completey different. I'm not sure I want to invest a lot of time > and effort into a dead-end platform. > > On the other hand, as far as I can tell, these ruggedized "enterprise > digital assistant" devices (like the Symbol / Motorola MC75) will be > using Windows Mobile for the forseeable future, so it might be worth > the effort. For me, a lot will depend on whether the company I work > for decides to continue using the ruggedized handheld devices, or > switches to iPad or Android tablets with waterproof cases. > > In the meantime, I'm interested to hear from anyone who is working on > the WinCE VM! > > Jerry > Good luck with this. In any case, Yoshiki's VM works great on PocketPC2003 / WindCE4. There is a working Cuis image for it. I'm sure this combo has potential for building many kinds of apps... Cheers, Juan Vuletich _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
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Hi Casey,
Casey Ransberger wrote: > Yo debo aprender a construir la VM. Nunca he hecho, en parte porque la > documentación parece obsoleta, y en parte porque soy vago. Wow! Your Spanish is great! > I don't know how to say this in Spanish: (help?) I worry about losing > compatibility with VMMaker, so I'd love to see folks making VMs with > Cuis on a regular basis. It would be something like "Me preocupa el perder compatibilidad con VMMake, por lo que me encantaría ver gente construyendo VMs con Cuis a menudo. > Tal vez le daré un tiro y documento el proceso. > > Si terminas rodando un cierre habilitado VM para WinCE, por favor > comparta sus resultados con la lista de VM-dev, como pueden haber > otras personas que se beneficiarían de sus resultados. > > --Casey > > P.S. > > Por favor perdona a mi español, como soy un donut de jalea. It was very funny, Casey! I'll restate a bit in English too, for folks without your great Spanish skills. Casey says he might try to run VMMaker in Cuis, to build a VM, and document the process. He also asks anybody working on a WinCE VM to share the results. WRT VMMaker (the same goes for any other package), usually most compatibility issues are in the UI. But building UIs from code in Cuis is easier than in Squeak, so porting the code is not hard. If any compatibility issues require some change in Cuis I promise I'll help. Something else. I almost never build VMs, but I do build external plugins from time to time. Something I don't like about VMMaker is that it is monolithic. Building plugins requires a lot less than building the full VM. I've been playing a bit on breaking VMMaker-eem.163.mcz (1.5mb) in parts. The result is PluginMaker (420kb), StandardPlugins (620kb) and VMMaker (530kb). PluginMaker works in latest Cuis and can build plugins. I think the best would be to break the official VMMaker like this, solve compatibility issues, and be able to use any of these in Cuis, without forking code. I currently don't have much spare time to spend on this, but you Casey, or anybody else willing to work on this will have my full support and any help I can provide. Cheers, Juan Vuletich _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
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