development in the IDE - save/recompile?

Am 15.05.2013 um 10:01 schrieb [hidden email]:

Hello,

I've been setting up that latest code and it works on my box for execution.

I've seen that there have been quite some changes on the way things work since the makefiles era.

Now, examples do work, including the googlecharts sample.

My questions are: 

1) If I open the class browser, what happens when I change code and do a save (provided I do have a amber server running).

Are things recompiled on the fly or should I recompile the code using amberc?

If you open the class browser, alter a method and save it the smalltalk code is directly compiled to javascript. To this point it is has nothing to do with a server that is all on the client. If you save your package however all javascript and smalltalk code is put on the server. There you can link the javascript code into your html page and use it directly without smalltalk code.

amberc is only used on the server. 

Norbert

2) How do I recompile everything at once?

Regards,

Philippe Back

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Hi Phil,

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the package save thing.

One thing worth noting for Helios and OSX: Ctrl-Space is the shortcut for Spotlight, so it is perfectly annoying as a shortcut as it doesn't work at all...

I guess you mean Command+Space.

Otherwise you have probably changed the default mapping.

Ctrl+Space works for me without issues.

 

I am demoing Amber at Google IO Extended Brussels this evening, so I want to have things ready enough. I just have 5-7 minutes so, that's no big deal, but is a good showcase since we do use Google tech: node.js/V8, Googlecharts, Chrome, ...

The presentations are a bit dated, they are showing a ton of old remnants. If I do have enough time, I'll make an updated one.

That would be cool.

But maybe you can ask Nico if he has a more recent one.

 

Cheers,
Phil

Best,

Manfred

 

2013/5/15 Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]>

Am 15.05.2013 um 10:01 schrieb [hidden email]:

Hello,

I've been setting up that latest code and it works on my box for execution.

I've seen that there have been quite some changes on the way things work since the makefiles era.

Now, examples do work, including the googlecharts sample.

My questions are: 

1) If I open the class browser, what happens when I change code and do a save (provided I do have a amber server running).

Are things recompiled on the fly or should I recompile the code using amberc?

If you open the class browser, alter a method and save it the smalltalk code is directly compiled to javascript. To this point it is has nothing to do with a server that is all on the client. If you save your package however all javascript and smalltalk code is put on the server. There you can link the javascript code into your html page and use it directly without smalltalk code.

amberc is only used on the server. 

Norbert

2) How do I recompile everything at once?

Regards,

Philippe Back

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Am 15.05.2013 um 11:27 schrieb "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>:

No, Cmd-space is for OSX Snow Leopard. Lion and next ones do use Ctrl-Space.

Hmm, I have 10.8.3 and it is cmd-space in my case. 

Norbert

I should be in touch with Nico today.

Regards,

Phil

2013/5/15 Manfred Kröhnert <[hidden email]>

Hi Phil,

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the package save thing.

One thing worth noting for Helios and OSX: Ctrl-Space is the shortcut for Spotlight, so it is perfectly annoying as a shortcut as it doesn't work at all...

I guess you mean Command+Space.

Otherwise you have probably changed the default mapping.

Ctrl+Space works for me without issues.

 

I am demoing Amber at Google IO Extended Brussels this evening, so I want to have things ready enough. I just have 5-7 minutes so, that's no big deal, but is a good showcase since we do use Google tech: node.js/V8, Googlecharts, Chrome, ...

The presentations are a bit dated, they are showing a ton of old remnants. If I do have enough time, I'll make an updated one.

That would be cool.

But maybe you can ask Nico if he has a more recent one.

 

Cheers,
Phil

Best,

Manfred

 

2013/5/15 Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]>

Am 15.05.2013 um 10:01 schrieb [hidden email]:

Hello,

I've been setting up that latest code and it works on my box for execution.

I've seen that there have been quite some changes on the way things work since the makefiles era.

Now, examples do work, including the googlecharts sample.

My questions are: 

1) If I open the class browser, what happens when I change code and do a save (provided I do have a amber server running).

Are things recompiled on the fly or should I recompile the code using amberc?

If you open the class browser, alter a method and save it the smalltalk code is directly compiled to javascript. To this point it is has nothing to do with a server that is all on the client. If you save your package however all javascript and smalltalk code is put on the server. There you can link the javascript code into your html page and use it directly without smalltalk code.

amberc is only used on the server. 

Norbert

2) How do I recompile everything at once?

Regards,

Philippe Back

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Am 15.05.2013 um 11:27 schrieb "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>:

No, Cmd-space is for OSX Snow Leopard. Lion and next ones do use Ctrl-Space.

Hmm, I have 10.8.3 and it is cmd-space in my case. 

Norbert

I should be in touch with Nico today.

Regards,

Phil

2013/5/15 Manfred Kröhnert <[hidden email]>

Hi Phil,

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the package save thing.

One thing worth noting for Helios and OSX: Ctrl-Space is the shortcut for Spotlight, so it is perfectly annoying as a shortcut as it doesn't work at all...

I guess you mean Command+Space.

Otherwise you have probably changed the default mapping.

Ctrl+Space works for me without issues.

 

I am demoing Amber at Google IO Extended Brussels this evening, so I want to have things ready enough. I just have 5-7 minutes so, that's no big deal, but is a good showcase since we do use Google tech: node.js/V8, Googlecharts, Chrome, ...

The presentations are a bit dated, they are showing a ton of old remnants. If I do have enough time, I'll make an updated one.

That would be cool.

But maybe you can ask Nico if he has a more recent one.

 

Cheers,
Phil

Best,

Manfred

 

2013/5/15 Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]>

Am 15.05.2013 um 10:01 schrieb [hidden email]:

Hello,

I've been setting up that latest code and it works on my box for execution.

I've seen that there have been quite some changes on the way things work since the makefiles era.

Now, examples do work, including the googlecharts sample.

My questions are: 

1) If I open the class browser, what happens when I change code and do a save (provided I do have a amber server running).

Are things recompiled on the fly or should I recompile the code using amberc?

If you open the class browser, alter a method and save it the smalltalk code is directly compiled to javascript. To this point it is has nothing to do with a server that is all on the client. If you save your package however all javascript and smalltalk code is put on the server. There you can link the javascript code into your html page and use it directly without smalltalk code.

amberc is only used on the server. 

Norbert

2) How do I recompile everything at once?

Regards,

Philippe Back

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About the shortcut,

I have spotlight on cmd+space, so I didn't have this problem :) Do you want to rebind it to something else?

Later Helios will have settings for that.

Cheers,

Nico

On May 15, 2013, at 11:17 AM, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the package save thing.

One thing worth noting for Helios and OSX: Ctrl-Space is the shortcut for Spotlight, so it is perfectly annoying as a shortcut as it doesn't work at all...

I am demoing Amber at Google IO Extended Brussels this evening, so I want to have things ready enough. I just have 5-7 minutes so, that's no big deal, but is a good showcase since we do use Google tech: node.js/V8, Googlecharts, Chrome, ...

The presentations are a bit dated, they are showing a ton of old remnants. If I do have enough time, I'll make an updated one.

Cheers,
Phil

2013/5/15 Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]>

Am 15.05.2013 um 10:01 schrieb [hidden email]:

Hello,

I've been setting up that latest code and it works on my box for execution.

I've seen that there have been quite some changes on the way things work since the makefiles era.

Now, examples do work, including the googlecharts sample.

My questions are: 

1) If I open the class browser, what happens when I change code and do a save (provided I do have a amber server running).

Are things recompiled on the fly or should I recompile the code using amberc?

If you open the class browser, alter a method and save it the smalltalk code is directly compiled to javascript. To this point it is has nothing to do with a server that is all on the client. If you save your package however all javascript and smalltalk code is put on the server. There you can link the javascript code into your html page and use it directly without smalltalk code.

amberc is only used on the server. 

Norbert

2) How do I recompile everything at once?

Regards,

Philippe Back

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.deploy contains the same code but no unnecessary metadata. It is aimed for deploying the final product as it loads faster. Plain .js contains all metadata that allows for development.

Probably in the future there will only be one .js (the biggest metadata is the smalltalk source, which can be obtain from .st, for example; now everything in IDE is taken from (non-deploy).js; .st file is just the byproduct).

Herby

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One more: e.g. in TwitterWall sample.

What's the difference between TwitterWall.js and TwitterWall.deploy.js ?

I see that unescape thing but what is this all for?

Sorry for the newb questions...
Phil


2013/5/15 Norbert Hartl <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>


    Am 15.05.2013 um 11:27 schrieb "[hidden email]
    <mailto:[hidden email]>" <[hidden email]
    <mailto:[hidden email]>>:

    No, Cmd-space is for OSX Snow Leopard. Lion and next ones do use
    Ctrl-Space.

    Hmm, I have 10.8.3 and it is cmd-space in my case.

    Norbert

    I should be in touch with Nico today.

    Regards,

    Phil




    2013/5/15 Manfred Kröhnert <[hidden email]
    <mailto:[hidden email]>>

        Hi Phil,

        On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM, [hidden email]
        <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]
        <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:

            Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the package save thing.

            One thing worth noting for Helios and OSX: Ctrl-Space is
            the shortcut for Spotlight, so it is perfectly annoying
            as a shortcut as it doesn't work at all...


        I guess you mean Command+Space.
        Otherwise you have probably changed the default mapping.
        Ctrl+Space works for me without issues.

            I am demoing Amber at Google IO Extended Brussels this

            evening, so I want to have things ready enough. I just

            have 5-7 minutes so, that's no big deal, but is a good
            showcase since we do use Google tech: node.js/V8,
            Googlecharts, Chrome, ...

            The presentations are a bit dated, they are showing a ton
            of old remnants. If I do have enough time, I'll make an
            updated one.


        That would be cool.
        But maybe you can ask Nico if he has a more recent one.

            Cheers,
            Phil


        Best,
        Manfred


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                Am 15.05.2013 um 10:01 schrieb [hidden email]
                <mailto:[hidden email]>:

                Hello,

                I've been setting up that latest code and it works
                on my box for executio

n.

                I've seen that there have been quite some changes on
                the way things work since the makefiles era.

                Now, examples do work, including the googlecharts
                sample.

                My questions are:

                1) If I open the class browser, what happens when I
                change code and do a save (provided I do have a
                amber server running).

                Are things recompiled on the fly or should I
                recompile the code using amberc?

                If you open the class browser, alter a method and
                save it the smalltalk code is directly compiled to
                javascript. To this point it is has nothing to do
                with a server that is all on the client. If you save
                your package however all javascript and smalltalk
                code is put on the se

rver. There you can link the

                javascript code into your html page and use it
                directly without smalltalk code.

                amberc is only used on the server.

                Norbert

                2) How do I recompile everything at once?

                Regards,
                Philippe Back

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I think I should changed that wtfying "nil>>nil" to something more human readable (nil >> nil most often means calling block context; of course it can also mean receiver nil and selector nil but that's unlikely).

[hidden email] wrote:

i see that the deploy is automatically updated when I do commit a package.

Other than that, the REPL is giving me trouble. This is what I do get:

[PhilMac:~/Documents/Smalltalk/2-MyWorkspaces/workspaceAmber/amber philippeback$] bin/amber
amber >> 1+1
nil>>nil
nil>>nil
nil>>nil
nil>>nil
nil>>nil
nil>>nil
a Repl>>eval:
nil>>nil
nil>>doesNotUnderstand:
nil does not understand #new
amber >>

??? WTF ???

Phil


2013/5/15 Herby Vojčík <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>

    .deploy contains the same code but no unnecessary metadata. It is
    aimed for deploying the final product as it loads faster. Plain
    .js contains all metadata that allows for development.

    Probably

in the future there will only be one .js (the biggest

    metadata is the smalltalk source, which can be obtain from .st,
    for example; now everything in IDE is taken from (non-deploy).js;
    .st file is just the byproduct).

    Herby

    [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:

        One more: e.g. in TwitterWall sample.

        What's the difference between TwitterWall.js and
        TwitterWall.deploy.js ?

        I see that unescape thing but what is this all for?

        Sorry for the newb questions...
        Phil


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        <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]
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            Am 15.05.2013 um 11:27 schrieb "[hidden email]
        <mailto:[hidden email]>
        <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>"
        <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
        <mailt

[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>>:

                No, Cmd-space is for OSX Snow Leopard. Lion and next
            ones do use
                Ctrl-Space.


        Hmm, I have 10.8.3 and it is cmd-space in my case.


            Norbert

                I should be in touch with Nico today.

                Regards,

                Phil




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                    Hi Phil,

                    On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM,
            [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
            <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
            <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
            <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>

            wrote:

                        Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the package
            save thing.

                        One thing worth noting for Helios and OSX:
            Ctrl-Space is
                        the shortcut for Spotlight, so it is perfectly
            annoying
                        as a shortcut as it doesn't work at all...


                    I guess you mean Command+Space.
                    Otherwise you have probably changed the default
            mapping.
                    Ctrl+Space works for me without issues.

                        I am demoing Amber at Google IO Extended
            Brussels this

                evening, so I want to have things ready enough. I just

                        have 5-7 minutes so, that's no big deal, but
            is a good
                        showcase since we do use Google tech: node.js/V8,
                        Googlecharts, Chrome,

...

                        The presentations are a bit dated, they are
            showing a ton
                        of old remnants. If I do have enough time,
            I'll make an
                        updated one.


                    That would be cool.
                    But maybe you can ask Nico if he has a more recent
            one.

                        Cheers,
                        Phil


                    Best,
                    Manfred


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                            Am 15.05.2013 um 10:01 schrieb
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            <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:

                                Hello,

                                I've been setting up

that latest code

                and it works
                                on my box for executio

    n.


                                I've seen that there have been quite
                some changes on
                                the way things work since the
                makefiles era.

                                Now, examples do work, including the
                googlecharts
                                sample.

                                My questions are:

                                1) If I open the class browser, what
                happens when I
                                change code and do a save (provided I
                do have a
                                amber server running).

                                Are things recompiled on the fly or
                should I
                                recompile the code using amberc?


                            If yo

u open the class browser, alter a

            method and
                            save it the smalltalk code is directly
            compiled to
                            javascript. To this point it is has
            nothing to do
                            with a server that is all on the client.
            If you save
                            your package however all javascript and
            smalltalk
                            code is put on the se

    rver. There you can link the

                            javascript code into your html page and use it
                            directly without smalltalk code.

                            amberc is only used on the server.

                            Norbert


                                2) How do I recompile everything at once?

                                Regards,
                                Philippe Back

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It's broken. I reported the issue here https://github.com/amber-smalltalk/amber/issues/486 (and shamelessly assigned it to manfred :p).

Nico

On May 15, 2013, at 12:41 PM, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

But so, how does one get this REPL behaving? Can't I do a 1+1 ?

Puzzled me.

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Hey, I have a Lion and spotlight is command space

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013, [hidden email] wrote:

No, Cmd-space is for OSX Snow Leopard. Lion and next ones do use Ctrl-Space.

I should be in touch with Nico today.

Regards,

Phil

2013/5/15 Manfred Kröhnert <[hidden email]>

Hi Phil,

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the package save thing.

One thing worth noting for Helios and OSX: Ctrl-Space is the shortcut for Spotlight, so it is perfectly annoying as a shortcut as it doesn't work at all...

I guess you mean Command+Space.

Otherwise you have probably changed the default mapping.

Ctrl+Space works for me without issues.

 

I am demoing Amber at Google IO Extended Brussels this evening, so I want to have things ready enough. I just have 5-7 minutes so, that's no big deal, but is a good showcase since we do use Google tech: node.js/V8, Googlecharts, Chrome, ...

The presentations are a bit dated, they are showing a ton of old remnants. If I do have enough time, I'll make an updated one.

That would be cool.

But maybe you can ask Nico if he has a more recent one.

 

Cheers,
Phil

Best,

Manfred

 

2013/5/15 Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]>

Am 15.05.2013 um 10:01 schrieb [hidden email]:

Hello,

I've been setting up that latest code and it works on my box for execution.

I've seen that there have been quite some changes on the way things work since the makefiles era.

Now, examples do work, including the googlecharts sample.

My questions are: 

1) If I open the class browser, what happens when I change code and do a save (provided I do have a amber server running).

Are things recompiled on the fly or should I recompile the code using amberc?

If you open the class browser, alter a method and save it the smalltalk code is directly compiled to javascript. To this point it is has nothing to do with a server that is all on the client. If you save your package however all javascript and smalltalk code is put on the server. There you can link the javascript code into your html page and use it directly without smalltalk code.

amberc is only used on the server. 

Norbert

2) How do I recompile everything at once?

Regards,

Philippe Back

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