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A first one:
Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing... Alexandre On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi, -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
Excellent! Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box? Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango) Cheers,
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Already?! Excellent!
Stef > A first one: > Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing... > > Alexandre > > <Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png> > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow." >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
Roassal is made to support other platform :)
Igor's programming abilities are impressive. He is fast. Alexandre On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: > Already?! Excellent! > > Stef > > >> A first one: >> Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing... >> >> Alexandre >> >> <Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png> >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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> Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box? Yes. The VM should be available from: https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture=32,OS=mac/ Igor, can you confirm this please? > Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango) Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available? Cheers, Alexandre > On 27.08.2012, at 16:21, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> A first one: >> Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing... >> >> Alexandre >> >> <Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png> >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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On 27.08.2012, at 21:11, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box? > > Yes. The VM should be available from: > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture=32,OS=mac/ > > Igor, can you confirm this please? This is just the VM. You still have to install Cairo, and this is not trivial for regular users. There was a plan to bundle Cairo with the VM. So, the question is if there is any progress in this area. > >> Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango) > > Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available? Igor, is it really so that Athens does not support basic text rendering? Cheers, Doru > Cheers, > Alexandre > > >> On 27.08.2012, at 16:21, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> A first one: >>> Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing... >>> >>> Alexandre >>> >>> <Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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On 27 August 2012 21:11, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box? > > Yes. The VM should be available from: > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture=32,OS=mac/ > > Igor, can you confirm this please? > No i can't. That VM does not includes cairo libs by default. And while having matrix-builds is a plus, now it is really hard to have different settings per a target platform, because everything is dumped into a single bash script.. And that annoys me a lot. We can speak about it tomorrow (yes, i cced you guys on purpose ;) >> Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango) > > Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available? It behind the schedule. Frankly, i was planning having it weeks ago. But i was unable to deal with it in time.. So, all i can say it is one of my top priority tasks today. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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we need a text model that can be stream to rendering engines and support editing (and
attributes). Stef >> Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box? > > Yes. The VM should be available from: > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture=32,OS=mac/ > > Igor, can you confirm this please? > >> Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango) > > Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > >> On 27.08.2012, at 16:21, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> A first one: >>> Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing... >>> >>> Alexandre >>> >>> <Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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> And while having matrix-builds is a plus, now it is really hard to > have different settings per a target platform, > because everything is dumped into a single bash script.. > And that annoys me a lot. We can speak about it tomorrow > (yes, i cced you guys on purpose ;) > >>> Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango) >> >> Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available? > > It behind the schedule. Frankly, i was planning having it weeks ago. > But i was unable to deal with it in time.. > So, all i can say it is one of my top priority tasks today. Good. The crowd wants it :). And after we will integrate it in Morphic. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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Could you clarify "amazing"? The most obvious is you are referring to the speed, but made quality or something else. What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows. or should I just get a Mac? Alexandre Bergel wrote: A first one: Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing... Alexandre On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email] [hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > > I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let > us know of any meaningful news. > > Cheers, > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > "Every thing has its own flow." > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
> Could you clarify "amazing"? The most obvious is you are referring to the speed, but made quality or something else.
Anti-aliasing is also offered by Athens. Drawings are now smoother. > What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows. > or should I just get a Mac? No idea. Igor? Cheers, Alexandre > > Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> A first one: >> Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The >> screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing... >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba < >> [hidden email] >> >> >> <mailto:[hidden email]> >> > wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let >> > us know of any meaningful news. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Doru >> > >> > -- >> > >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >> >> > >> > "Every thing has its own flow." >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Moose-dev mailing list >> > >> [hidden email] >> >> > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel >> http://www.bergel.eu >> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
On 28 August 2012 18:53, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Could you clarify "amazing"? The most obvious is you are referring to the speed, but made quality or something else. > > Anti-aliasing is also offered by Athens. Drawings are now smoother. > >> What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows. >> or should I just get a Mac? > > No idea. Igor? > No idea either. I have a plan. And i stick to it. No scheduling , sorry. I'm not that sort of a man. What i was trying to do the days after i came from vacation was doing everything work or all platforms (and MS Windows was #1 in that list).. But i didn't pushed it too far so far.. Because of different events like problems with our jenkins server or changes in VM/NB requiring my attention (and therefore time), and of course because i am too lazy to do it. But i work faster when i know that things i do is needed :) So thanks for a push. Like today i managed to code a draft version of text rendering using Cairo. But the whole puzzle involves work on 4 things simultaneously: - VM, AsmJit, NB, Athens, Cairo.. and Jenkins .. and i need to cut some time for having fun (like hacking Pharo itself). Heh, don't think that i am complaining.. I having fun here, but it takes time. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
No stress Igor. You're doing an amazing job, really.
I am delighted to have pair programmed with you. We should continue! Cheers, Alexandre On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 28 August 2012 18:53, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> Could you clarify "amazing"? The most obvious is you are referring to the speed, but made quality or something else. >> >> Anti-aliasing is also offered by Athens. Drawings are now smoother. >> >>> What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows. >>> or should I just get a Mac? >> >> No idea. Igor? >> > > No idea either. > I have a plan. And i stick to it. No scheduling , sorry. I'm not that > sort of a man. > What i was trying to do the days after i came from vacation was doing > everything work > or all platforms (and MS Windows was #1 in that list).. But i didn't > pushed it too far so far.. > > Because of different events like problems with our jenkins server or > changes in VM/NB requiring my > attention (and therefore time), and of course because i am too lazy to do it. > But i work faster when i know that things i do is needed :) So thanks > for a push. > > Like today i managed to code a draft version of text rendering using Cairo. > But the whole puzzle involves work on 4 things simultaneously: > - VM, AsmJit, NB, Athens, Cairo.. and Jenkins .. and i need to cut > some time for having fun (like hacking Pharo itself). > > Heh, don't think that i am complaining.. I having fun here, but it takes time. > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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>> What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows. >> or should I just get a Mac? > > No idea. Igor? Guys I think that you do not understand what is athens. Athens is an object-oriented design for an abstract canvas and ways to interact with it. This canvas will be instantiate with different backends. - since cairo works on windows the backend Cairo Athens works on Windows Now this is a question of packaging dll and others. - Now if one day we have a cocoa core framework, the cocoa backend will not work on Windows. Stef _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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