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Tudor Girba-2
Hi,

I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.

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Re: esug

abergel
A first one:
Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...

Alexandre



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Hi,

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Re: esug

Tudor Girba-2
Excellent!

Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box?

Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)

Cheers,
Doru

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On 27.08.2012, at 16:21, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

A first one:
Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...

Alexandre

<Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>


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Hi,

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Re: esug

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Already?! Excellent!

Stef


> A first one:
> Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
>
> Alexandre
>
> <Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
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Re: esug

abergel
Roassal is made to support other platform :)

Igor's programming abilities are impressive. He is fast.

Alexandre


On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Already?! Excellent!
>
> Stef
>
>
>> A first one:
>> Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
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Re: esug

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> Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box?

Yes. The VM should be available from:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture=32,OS=mac/

Igor, can you confirm this please?

> Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)

Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available?

Cheers,
Alexandre


> On 27.08.2012, at 16:21, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> A first one:
>> Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
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>>>
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Re: esug

Tudor Girba-2
Hi,

On 27.08.2012, at 21:11, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>> Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box?
>
> Yes. The VM should be available from:
> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture=32,OS=mac/
>
> Igor, can you confirm this please?

This is just the VM. You still have to install Cairo, and this is not trivial for regular users. There was a plan to bundle Cairo with the VM. So, the question is if there is any progress in this area.

>
>> Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)
>
> Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available?

Igor, is it really so that Athens does not support basic text rendering?

Cheers,
Doru



> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
>> On 27.08.2012, at 16:21, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> A first one:
>>> Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
>>>
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>> <Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Doru
>>>>
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Re: esug

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On 27 August 2012 21:11, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box?
>
> Yes. The VM should be available from:
> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture=32,OS=mac/
>
> Igor, can you confirm this please?
>
No i can't. That VM does not includes cairo libs by default.

And while having matrix-builds is a plus, now it is really hard to
have different settings per a target platform,
because everything is dumped into a single bash script..
And that annoys me a lot. We can speak about it tomorrow
(yes, i cced you guys on purpose ;)

>> Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)
>
> Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available?

It behind the schedule. Frankly, i was planning having it weeks ago.
But i was unable to deal with it in time..
So, all i can say it is one of my top priority tasks today.

>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>

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Re: esug

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we need a text model that can be stream to rendering engines and support editing (and
attributes).

Stef


>> Can we get the VM+Cairo that renders this out of the box?
>
> Yes. The VM should be available from:
> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/NativeBoost-Cog-VM/Architecture=32,OS=mac/
>
> Igor, can you confirm this please?
>
>> Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)
>
> Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available?
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
>> On 27.08.2012, at 16:21, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> A first one:
>>> Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
>>>
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>> <Screen Shot 2012-08-27 at 4.20.38 PM.png>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let us know of any meaningful news.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Doru
>>>>
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>>>>
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Re: esug

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> And while having matrix-builds is a plus, now it is really hard to
> have different settings per a target platform,
> because everything is dumped into a single bash script..
> And that annoys me a lot. We can speak about it tomorrow
> (yes, i cced you guys on purpose ;)
>
>>> Also, why is there no text? I thought this was supported for basic text (I.e. no paragraphs with Pango)
>>
>> Good question. Apparently it is not supported. Igor, can you provide a schedule when this will be available?
>
> It behind the schedule. Frankly, i was planning having it weeks ago.
> But i was unable to deal with it in time..
> So, all i can say it is one of my top priority tasks today.

Good. The crowd wants it :).
And after we will integrate it in Morphic.


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Could you clarify "amazing"?  The most obvious is you are referring to the speed, but made quality or something else.

What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows.
or should I just get a Mac?
 
Alexandre Bergel wrote:
A first one:
Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The 
screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...

Alexandre



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> I just wanted to wish the ESUG participants a nice conference. Please do let 
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>
> Cheers,
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> Could you clarify "amazing"?  The most obvious is you are referring to the speed, but made quality or something else.

Anti-aliasing is also offered by Athens. Drawings are now smoother.

> What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows.
> or should I just get a Mac?

No idea. Igor?

Cheers,
Alexandre

>  
> Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>> A first one:
>> Thanks to Igor, Roassal is working with Athens. The rendering are amazing. The
>> screenshot confirms this. Unfortunately, text rendering is missing...
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Tudor Girba <
>> [hidden email]
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>>
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>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Doru
>> >
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Re: esug

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On 28 August 2012 18:53, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Could you clarify "amazing"?  The most obvious is you are referring to the speed, but made quality or something else.
>
> Anti-aliasing is also offered by Athens. Drawings are now smoother.
>
>> What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows.
>> or should I just get a Mac?
>
> No idea. Igor?
>

No idea either.
I have a plan. And i stick to it. No scheduling , sorry. I'm not that
sort of a man.
What i was trying to do the days after i came from vacation was doing
everything work
or all platforms (and MS Windows was #1 in that list).. But i didn't
pushed it too far so far..

Because of different events like problems with our jenkins server or
changes in VM/NB requiring my
attention (and therefore time), and of course because i am too lazy to do it.
But i work faster when i know that things i do is needed :) So thanks
for a push.

Like today i managed to code a draft version of text rendering using Cairo.
But the whole puzzle involves work on 4 things simultaneously:
 - VM, AsmJit, NB, Athens, Cairo.. and Jenkins  .. and i need to cut
some time for having fun (like hacking Pharo itself).

Heh, don't think that i am complaining.. I having fun here, but it takes time.

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abergel
No stress Igor. You're doing an amazing job, really.
I am delighted to have pair programmed with you.

We should continue!

Cheers,
Alexandre


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> On 28 August 2012 18:53, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Could you clarify "amazing"?  The most obvious is you are referring to the speed, but made quality or something else.
>>
>> Anti-aliasing is also offered by Athens. Drawings are now smoother.
>>
>>> What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows.
>>> or should I just get a Mac?
>>
>> No idea. Igor?
>>
>
> No idea either.
> I have a plan. And i stick to it. No scheduling , sorry. I'm not that
> sort of a man.
> What i was trying to do the days after i came from vacation was doing
> everything work
> or all platforms (and MS Windows was #1 in that list).. But i didn't
> pushed it too far so far..
>
> Because of different events like problems with our jenkins server or
> changes in VM/NB requiring my
> attention (and therefore time), and of course because i am too lazy to do it.
> But i work faster when i know that things i do is needed :) So thanks
> for a push.
>
> Like today i managed to code a draft version of text rendering using Cairo.
> But the whole puzzle involves work on 4 things simultaneously:
> - VM, AsmJit, NB, Athens, Cairo.. and Jenkins  .. and i need to cut
> some time for having fun (like hacking Pharo itself).
>
> Heh, don't think that i am complaining.. I having fun here, but it takes time.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko.

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Re: esug

Stéphane Ducasse
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>> What is the schedule for Athens on non-mac platforms? in particular MS Windows.
>> or should I just get a Mac?
>
> No idea. Igor?

Guys

I think that you do not understand what is athens.
Athens is an object-oriented design for an abstract canvas and ways to interact with it.

This canvas will be instantiate with different backends.
        - since cairo works on windows the backend Cairo Athens works on Windows
        Now this is a question of packaging dll and others.

        - Now if one day we have a cocoa core framework, the cocoa backend will not work on
        Windows.

Stef



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