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Chris Muller-4

final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

There was 1 vote for including the legacy Mac plugins and 0 against.
So Craig and I made one last All-in-One and its uploaded.

So, I think can we call 4.6 "done" then?

Eliot Miranda-2

Re: final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:

There was 1 vote for including the legacy Mac plugins and 0 against.
So Craig and I made one last All-in-One and its uploaded.

So, I think can we call 4.6 "done" then?

Do we have any volunteers to do some shake down tests? dare we do some shake down tests? SHould we instead release and handle problems as users find them? Chris, have you run your test suite using the 4.6 yet?

_,,,^..^,,,_

best, Eliot

fniephaus

Re: final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

+ 1 for releasing 4.6 and handling problems as users find them :)

But there's one problem that I just found: try and run the following and you should get a SqueakSSL error (-5):

(WebClient new httpGet: 'https://api.travis-ci.org/repos/squeak-smalltalk/squeak.org/builds') content

Looks like we forgot to update the SqueakSSL plugins with the ones from [1]? After doing that manually, the above works just fine...

Regards,

Fabio

[1] https://github.com/itsmeront/squeakssl/releases

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:06 PM Eliot Miranda <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:
There was 1 vote for including the legacy Mac plugins and 0 against.
So Craig and I made one last All-in-One and its uploaded.

So, I think can we call 4.6 "done" then?

Do we have any volunteers to do some shake down tests? dare we do some shake down tests? SHould we instead release and handle problems as users find them? Chris, have you run your test suite using the 4.6 yet?

--
_,,,^..^,,,_
best, Eliot

Chris Muller-3

Re: final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

Thanks Fabio, say, which platform did you test on? Hm, something
interesting -- that new SqueakSSL (for Linux) is 7 MB where the one I
have been using is only 27K, which easily makes it the largest plugin
and would slightly inflate teh size of the All-In-One.

Why is it so much bigger, is it compiled with debug information or something?

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Fabio Niephaus <[hidden email]> wrote:

> + 1 for releasing 4.6 and handling problems as users find them :)
>
> But there's one problem that I just found: try and run the following and you
> should get a SqueakSSL error (-5):
>
> (WebClient new httpGet:
> 'https://api.travis-ci.org/repos/squeak-smalltalk/squeak.org/builds')
> content
>
> Looks like we forgot to update the SqueakSSL plugins with the ones from [1]?
> After doing that manually, the above works just fine...
>
> Regards,
> Fabio
>
> [1] https://github.com/itsmeront/squeakssl/releases
>
> --
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:06 PM Eliot Miranda <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Chris Muller <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There was 1 vote for including the legacy Mac plugins and 0 against.
>>> So Craig and I made one last All-in-One and its uploaded.
>>>
>>> So, I think can we call 4.6 "done" then?
>>
>>
>> Do we have any volunteers to do some shake down tests? dare we do some
>> shake down tests? SHould we instead release and handle problems as users
>> find them? Chris, have you run your test suite using the 4.6 yet?
>>
>> --
>> _,,,^..^,,,_
>> best, Eliot
>
>
>
>

Tobias Pape

Re: final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

On 19.07.2015, at 18:34, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks Fabio, say, which platform did you test on? Hm, something
> interesting -- that new SqueakSSL (for Linux) is 7 MB where the one I
> have been using is only 27K, which easily makes it the largest plugin
> and would slightly inflate teh size of the All-In-One.
>
> Why is it so much bigger, is it compiled with debug information or something?

No, I statically linked against LibreSSL.

Best regards
-Tobias

>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Fabio Niephaus <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> + 1 for releasing 4.6 and handling problems as users find them :)
>>
>> But there's one problem that I just found: try and run the following and you
>> should get a SqueakSSL error (-5):
>>
>> (WebClient new httpGet:
>> 'https://api.travis-ci.org/repos/squeak-smalltalk/squeak.org/builds')
>> content
>>
>> Looks like we forgot to update the SqueakSSL plugins with the ones from [1]?
>> After doing that manually, the above works just fine...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Fabio
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/itsmeront/squeakssl/releases
>>
>> --
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:06 PM Eliot Miranda <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Chris Muller <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There was 1 vote for including the legacy Mac plugins and 0 against.
>>>> So Craig and I made one last All-in-One and its uploaded.
>>>>
>>>> So, I think can we call 4.6 "done" then?
>>>
>>>
>>> Do we have any volunteers to do some shake down tests? dare we do some
>>> shake down tests? SHould we instead release and handle problems as users
>>> find them? Chris, have you run your test suite using the 4.6 yet?
>>>
>>> --
>>> _,,,^..^,,,_
>>> best, Eliot

fniephaus

Re: final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

I'm using OS X Yosemite.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Fabio

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 6:48 PM Tobias Pape <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 19.07.2015, at 18:34, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks Fabio, say, which platform did you test on? Hm, something
> interesting -- that new SqueakSSL (for Linux) is 7 MB where the one I
> have been using is only 27K, which easily makes it the largest plugin
> and would slightly inflate teh size of the All-In-One.
>
> Why is it so much bigger, is it compiled with debug information or something?

No, I statically linked against LibreSSL.

Best regards
-Tobias

>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Fabio Niephaus <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> + 1 for releasing 4.6 and handling problems as users find them :)
>>
>> But there's one problem that I just found: try and run the following and you
>> should get a SqueakSSL error (-5):
>>
>> (WebClient new httpGet:
>> 'https://api.travis-ci.org/repos/squeak-smalltalk/squeak.org/builds')
>> content
>>
>> Looks like we forgot to update the SqueakSSL plugins with the ones from [1]?
>> After doing that manually, the above works just fine...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Fabio
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/itsmeront/squeakssl/releases
>>
>> --
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:06 PM Eliot Miranda <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Chris Muller <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There was 1 vote for including the legacy Mac plugins and 0 against.
>>>> So Craig and I made one last All-in-One and its uploaded.
>>>>
>>>> So, I think can we call 4.6 "done" then?
>>>
>>>
>>> Do we have any volunteers to do some shake down tests? dare we do some
>>> shake down tests? SHould we instead release and handle problems as users
>>> find them? Chris, have you run your test suite using the 4.6 yet?
>>>
>>> --
>>> _,,,^..^,,,_
>>> best, Eliot

vaidasd

Re: final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

In reply to this post by Chris Muller-4

Project saving is broken, though project related items are part of the docking bar menu.

Vaidotas

Hannes Hirzel

Re: final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

I think that project saving has been broken for quite some time. There
should be a note in 'known issues'.

On 7/19/15, Vaidotas Didžbalis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Project saving is broken, though project related items are part of the
> docking bar menu.
> Vaidotas
>

vaidasd

Re: final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:48 AM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think that project saving has been broken for quite some time.

Yes, this is the reason why we use 4.4 version for development. The whole concept of Projects makes no sense if Project can not be persisted, this is essential. We use this, eToys use this. What is the meaning of the Projects if they can not be saved?
It is an irony that introduction of Environments have had an opposite effect. Couldn't Environments coexist with Projects? Maybe someone could elaborate what is the problem, what can be done?

From UI perspective, currently stock image is one click away from debugger popup.

regards,

Vaidotas

Hannes Hirzel

Re: final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

A note that

'Project saving does not work, use 4.4 should be used instead'

should be included in the release notes.

--Hannes

On 7/20/15, Vaidotas Didžbalis <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:48 AM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> I think that project saving has been broken for quite some time.
>>
>
> Yes, this is the reason why we use 4.4 version for development. The whole
> concept of Projects makes no sense if Project can not be persisted, this is
> essential. We use this, eToys use this. What is the meaning of the Projects
> if they can not be saved?
> It is an irony that introduction of Environments have had an opposite
> effect. Couldn't Environments coexist with Projects? Maybe someone could
> elaborate what is the problem, what can be done?
> >From UI perspective, currently stock image is one click away from debugger
> popup.
> regards,
> Vaidotas
>

David T. Lewis

Environments and Projects (was: final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted)

In reply to this post by vaidasd

It would be great if we can put some focus on this as soon as we have
completed the Squeak 4.6 and 5.0 releases (RSN).

I think that Levente had summarized the open issues regarding Environments
in a post to this list within the last year. We also had the thread
"Thinking about environments" on the list last December. We should find
Levente's summary and see if we can make progress against it in the coming
months.

Dave

> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:48 AM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> I think that project saving has been broken for quite some time.
>>
>
> Yes, this is the reason why we use 4.4 version for development. The whole
> concept of Projects makes no sense if Project can not be persisted, this
> is
> essential. We use this, eToys use this. What is the meaning of the
> Projects
> if they can not be saved?
> It is an irony that introduction of Environments have had an opposite
> effect. Couldn't Environments coexist with Projects? Maybe someone could
> elaborate what is the problem, what can be done?
>>From UI perspective, currently stock image is one click away from
>> debugger
> popup.
> regards,
> Vaidotas
>
>

Raymond Asselin-4

Re: Environments and Projects (was: final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted)

I agree that I missed project long enough so something must be made.

May be Environment was a must but it seems that nobody know how to use it. And the doc is waiting.

Project in is side is used but don"t work. Is it a feature of Skeak or only a "try for yourself'.

My intention here is not bashing I know there is so lot to do and so few ressources, but...

Retain that I would like something is done for project

Raymond Asselin

> Le 2015-07-21 à 16:00, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
> It would be great if we can put some focus on this as soon as we have
> completed the Squeak 4.6 and 5.0 releases (RSN).
>
> I think that Levente had summarized the open issues regarding Environments
> in a post to this list within the last year. We also had the thread
> "Thinking about environments" on the list last December. We should find
> Levente's summary and see if we can make progress against it in the coming
> months.
>
> Dave
>
>
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:48 AM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that project saving has been broken for quite some time.
>>
>> Yes, this is the reason why we use 4.4 version for development. The whole
>> concept of Projects makes no sense if Project can not be persisted, this
>> is
>> essential. We use this, eToys use this. What is the meaning of the
>> Projects
>> if they can not be saved?
>> It is an irony that introduction of Environments have had an opposite
>> effect. Couldn't Environments coexist with Projects? Maybe someone could
>> elaborate what is the problem, what can be done?
>>> From UI perspective, currently stock image is one click away from
>>> debugger
>> popup.
>> regards,
>> Vaidotas
>
>
>