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I've been asking some ISPs what hosting options they have to run a VMWare
appliance (afaik that is the only way gemstone/s web edition will be available). So far the ones I have asked have all said either (a) look elsewhere, or (b) dedicated hosting only. Is it true that this will not even be runnable (on typical ISPs) on VPS hosting programs? Any ideas on ISPs to consider? _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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itsme213 wrote:
> I've been asking some ISPs what hosting options they have to run a VMWare > appliance (afaik that is the only way gemstone/s web edition will be > available). So far the ones I have asked have all said either (a) look > elsewhere, or (b) dedicated hosting only. > > Is it true that this will not even be runnable (on typical ISPs) on VPS > hosting programs? Any ideas on ISPs to consider? > The VMware appliance is a way to get a pre-configured GLASS (GemStone, Linux, Apache, Seaside, Smalltalk). While we expect that it will be an attractive way for most people to try out GLASS, you will have the option of doing all the setup and configuration yourself--if that is what you want/need. In that case, the thing to ask for when looking for hosting plans is simply "64-bit Linux." For example, I just did a Google search for "64-bit Linux hosting" that led me to http://www.calpop.com/dedicated.html which offers root access to a Core 2 Duo with Ubuntu 64-bit Linux for $135/month. James Foster P.S. Do you have a name you are willing to share? _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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James,
If I'm not wrong, this is just one of the two options itsme213 pointed at: dedicated host. I have the suspect that this is the only option for having a seaside app running on the WEB, will it be a Gemstone, VW, Squeak or Dolphin based one. I would like to be wrong. Someone know of other ways? Ciao On Nov 4, 2007 9:34 AM, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote: > itsme213 wrote: > > I've been asking some ISPs what hosting options they have to run a VMWare > > appliance (afaik that is the only way gemstone/s web edition will be > > available). So far the ones I have asked have all said either (a) look > > elsewhere, or (b) dedicated hosting only. > > > > Is it true that this will not even be runnable (on typical ISPs) on VPS > > hosting programs? Any ideas on ISPs to consider? > > > The VMware appliance is a way to get a pre-configured GLASS (GemStone, > Linux, Apache, Seaside, Smalltalk). While we expect that it will be an > attractive way for most people to try out GLASS, you will have the > option of doing all the setup and configuration yourself--if that is > what you want/need. In that case, the thing to ask for when looking for > hosting plans is simply "64-bit Linux." For example, I just did a Google > search for "64-bit Linux hosting" that led me to > http://www.calpop.com/dedicated.html which offers root access to a Core > 2 Duo with Ubuntu 64-bit Linux for $135/month. > > James Foster > > P.S. Do you have a name you are willing to share? > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Giorgio,
There are actually two, unrelated issues, here. First, "itsme123" thought that GLASS would be available only through VMware. I saw that and jumped in with the answer that he/she did not need VMware. As you point out, however, the other (probally more important) question is what hosting options are available (without regard to how it is actually installed). My perception is that "shared" hosting is available for more traditional usage patterns (Apache, Perl, PHP, MYSQL), but less available for non-traditional and 64-bigt applications (including Seaside). Further, my perception is that "shared" vs. "dedicated" is simply a shorthand for whether you have root access and how much of the machine can you use (my guess is that even a "dedicated" machine is rarely a separate box but is almost certainly a virtual machine inside a much larger box). Thus, the most ultimate question is "What will it cost?" not "What name does the hosting company apply to service?" Note that there is nothing to prevent someone in the community from leasing a dedicated machine, and subleasing portions of it to others. I assume that this is what is happening at http://www.seasidehosting.st/ (which provides free hosting for non-commercial Squeak Seaside applications). James giorgio ferraris wrote: James, If I'm not wrong, this is just one of the two options itsme213 pointed at: dedicated host. I have the suspect that this is the only option for having a seaside app running on the WEB, will it be a Gemstone, VW, Squeak or Dolphin based one. I would like to be wrong. Someone know of other ways? Ciao Giorgio On Nov 4, 2007 9:34 AM, James Foster [hidden email] wrote: _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Are you asking about hosting a commercial or non-commercial site, or just a way to try things out? There should be GemStone solution for all of these by early next year. As James indicated, Vmware is not required. -- Monty > -----Original Message-----
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Hi, James,
You are correct, the real question is: How much will it cost? Not if it will be on a dedicated server or not. I did the wrong question just because usually dedicated means more expensive, so the question was implicit.... Thanks Ciao Giorgio On Nov 4, 2007 1:16 PM, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Giorgio, > > There are actually two, unrelated issues, here. First, "itsme123" thought > that GLASS would be available only through VMware. I saw that and jumped in > with the answer that he/she did not need VMware. As you point out, however, > the other (probally more important) question is what hosting options are > available (without regard to how it is actually installed). > > My perception is that "shared" hosting is available for more traditional > usage patterns (Apache, Perl, PHP, MYSQL), but less available for > non-traditional and 64-bigt applications (including Seaside). Further, my > perception is that "shared" vs. "dedicated" is simply a shorthand for > whether you have root access and how much of the machine can you use (my > guess is that even a "dedicated" machine is rarely a separate box but is > almost certainly a virtual machine inside a much larger box). Thus, the most > ultimate question is "What will it cost?" not "What name does the hosting > company apply to service?" > > Note that there is nothing to prevent someone in the community from leasing > a dedicated machine, and subleasing portions of it to others. I assume that > this is what is happening at http://www.seasidehosting.st/ (which provides > free hosting for non-commercial Squeak Seaside applications). > > James > > > > > giorgio ferraris wrote: > James, > > If I'm not wrong, this is just one of the two options itsme213 pointed > at: dedicated host. > I have the suspect that this is the only option for having a seaside > app running on the WEB, will it be a Gemstone, VW, Squeak or Dolphin > based one. > I would like to be wrong. > Someone know of other ways? > > Ciao > > Giorgio > > > > On Nov 4, 2007 9:34 AM, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > itsme213 wrote: > > > I've been asking some ISPs what hosting options they have to run a VMWare > appliance (afaik that is the only way gemstone/s web edition will be > available). So far the ones I have asked have all said either (a) look > elsewhere, or (b) dedicated hosting only. > > Is it true that this will not even be runnable (on typical ISPs) on VPS > hosting programs? Any ideas on ISPs to consider? > > > The VMware appliance is a way to get a pre-configured GLASS (GemStone, > Linux, Apache, Seaside, Smalltalk). While we expect that it will be an > attractive way for most people to try out GLASS, you will have the > option of doing all the setup and configuration yourself--if that is > what you want/need. In that case, the thing to ask for when looking for > hosting plans is simply "64-bit Linux." For example, I just did a Google > search for "64-bit Linux hosting" that led me to > http://www.calpop.com/dedicated.html which offers root access to a Core > 2 Duo with Ubuntu 64-bit Linux for $135/month. > > James Foster > > P.S. Do you have a name you are willing to share? > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > > > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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RE: [Seaside] gemstone / appliance / ISP optionsTrying out, perhaps
eventually commercial. I was hoping one of the (VPS) Virtual Private Host options that most web hosting providers offer would suffice. Does one need a 64-bit machine to do development work? Linux? Sorry if this seems a bit disconnected, I did find a good summary anywhere. Sophie =========== >"Monty Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote in message > >news:[hidden email]... >Are you asking about hosting a commercial or non-commercial site, or just a >way to try things out? There >should be GemStone solution for all of these >by early next year. >As James indicated, Vmware is not required. > >-- Monty > -----Original Message----- > From: itsme213 [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 8:06 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Seaside] gemstone / appliance / ISP options > > I've been asking some ISPs what hosting options they have to > run a VMWare > appliance (afaik that is the only way gemstone/s web edition will be > available). So far the ones I have asked have all said either > (a) look > elsewhere, or (b) dedicated hosting only. > > Is it true that this will not even be runnable (on typical > ISPs) on VPS > hosting programs? Any ideas on ISPs to consider? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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There are three ways to get started with the GemStone/Seaside Beta. The first is available today for a limited number of users. The others will be available around mid-November. The general release of GemStone/Seaside is targeted for Q4 2007. Option 1. Install a full version of GemStone/S from scratch on a 64-bit Linux box. This requires a moderate amount of Linux system administration skills at present, but we're working on automating this further. This is the suggested route to deploy a production system as you can tune memory, disks, network, etc. to meet your performance requirements. Option 2. Install a GemStone/Seaside "Virtual Appliance" on a 64-bit Macintosh or Windows computer. This is a preconfigured double-clickable VMware image that includes Ubuntu Linux, Apache, GemStone/S with three Gems, Seaside and Firefox pointing to the running GemStone/Seaside instance. This is a good system to use for development, or even for light deployment. You'll need a copy of VMware Player for Windows (http://www.vmware.com/download/player/) or VMware Fusion for MacOSX (http://www.vmware.com/download/fusion/). Note: VMware requires an Intel VT (at least a Core 2 Duo) or AMD-V chipset to run 64-bit guest operating systems. Option 3. Use a "Sandbox" account we can set up on a GemStone system for you. This is primarily useful if you don't have access to a 64-bit system. It's not a GemStone/Seaside hosting system, just a place for you to try things out. If you have access to a suitable 64-bit system, that's usually a better alternative. Other hosting options are planned for early next year. Check out Dale's blog at http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/ -- it has both short articles and longer technical details. It's a valuable resource if you want to learn more about GemStone/Seaside. You may want to sign up for our low traffic Beta mailing list at http://seaside.gemstone.com/mailman/listinfo/beta. Once you are signed up, there is a full archive of this mailing list available at http://seaside.gemstone.com/mailman/private/beta/ A GemSource repository you can use for either Squeak or GemStone Seaside projects is available at http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/ > -----Original Message-----
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itsme213 wrote:
> Does one need a 64-bit machine to do development work? Linux? > > Sophie Hi Sophie, Seaside on GemStone requires 64-bit Linux. This can be run in VMware if you are on Windows or Macintosh. James _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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