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stepharo

how can we use Spotter to find reference to a class without scrolling down?

Hi guys

I often know that I want to look not for the class, its package or
methods....
but that I want to get the references to a class.

Is there a syntax that I can use to instruct spotter about my needs?

Stef

Tudor Girba-2

Re: how can we use Spotter to find reference to a class without scrolling down?

Hi,

If you know the name of the spotter category, you can use the #category, like here:

http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/scoping-for-specific-search-category-in-gtspotter/

Is this what you are looking for?

Cheers,

Doru

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi guys

I often know that I want to look not for the class, its package or methods....
but that I want to get the references to a class.

Is there a syntax that I can use to instruct spotter about my needs?

Stef

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

Ben Coman

Re: how can we use Spotter to find reference to a class without scrolling down?

I guess he means... Analyse > Class refs
and maybe wanting a syntax like... MyClass #ref
cheers -ben

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If you know the name of the spotter category, you can use the #category,
> like here:
> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/scoping-for-specific-search-category-in-gtspotter/
>
> Is this what you are looking for?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I often know that I want to look not for the class, its package or
>> methods....
>> but that I want to get the references to a class.
>>
>> Is there a syntax that I can use to instruct spotter about my needs?
>>
>> Stef
>>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"

Tudor Girba-2

Re: how can we use Spotter to find reference to a class without scrolling down?

Hi,

But, that is already possible:

- Search for a class, like Object.

- Dive in (Cmd+Right)

- Type #ref

And you will get the list of references to Object.

Cheers,

Doru

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

I guess he means... Analyse > Class refs
and maybe wanting a syntax like... MyClass #ref
cheers -ben

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If you know the name of the spotter category, you can use the #category,
> like here:
> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/scoping-for-specific-search-category-in-gtspotter/
>
> Is this what you are looking for?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I often know that I want to look not for the class, its package or
>> methods....
>> but that I want to get the references to a class.
>>
>> Is there a syntax that I can use to instruct spotter about my needs?
>>
>> Stef
>>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

stepharo

Re: how can we use Spotter to find reference to a class without scrolling down?

But why this is so complex?
Why I cannot have

    #ref Object?

or something like that.
And why do we need #ref and not
    #r
    #m
    #s
?
we could have
    #p
    #c

I'm a super user and I want super user tools :)

Stef

Le 3/6/15 01:20, Tudor Girba a écrit :

Hi,

But, that is already possible:

- Search for a class, like Object.

- Dive in (Cmd+Right)

- Type #ref

And you will get the list of references to Object.

Cheers,

Doru

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

I guess he means... Analyse > Class refs
and maybe wanting a syntax like... MyClass #ref
cheers -ben

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If you know the name of the spotter category, you can use the #category,
> like here:
> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/scoping-for-specific-search-category-in-gtspotter/
>
> Is this what you are looking for?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I often know that I want to look not for the class, its package or
>> methods....
>> but that I want to get the references to a class.
>>
>> Is there a syntax that I can use to instruct spotter about my needs?
>>
>> Stef
>>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"

--

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

Tudor Girba-2

Re: how can we use Spotter to find reference to a class without scrolling down?

Hi Stef,

What you are proposing is interesting.

The criteria for the current language is to be minimalistic and composable because it is supposed to work with any object, not just with code, and the speed should be as good as possible in all cases.

At this point, # means filter the existing list by the category. You do not need #ref. It's enough #r. The nice thing about it is that it has clear semantics, is cheap and composable through diving. I think this is a useful operator that we should not remove. But, this does not mean that we cannot play with other operators.

We played also with other predicates, but the problem is that they are slow, and we have limited bandwidth (we have only one process for all computations).

All in all, it would be cool to have experiments in this direction. However, I would want to have simple semantics that can be explained easily. We already have a few simple actions and people still do not use them to their full potential.

Cheers,

Doru

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:35 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:

But why this is so complex?
Why I cannot have

    #ref Object?

or something like that.
And why do we need #ref and not
    #r
    #m
    #s
?
we could have
    #p
    #c

I'm a super user and I want super user tools :)

Stef

Le 3/6/15 01:20, Tudor Girba a écrit :

Hi,

But, that is already possible:

- Search for a class, like Object.

- Dive in (Cmd+Right)

- Type #ref

And you will get the list of references to Object.

Cheers,

Doru

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

I guess he means... Analyse > Class refs
and maybe wanting a syntax like... MyClass #ref
cheers -ben

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If you know the name of the spotter category, you can use the #category,
> like here:
> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/scoping-for-specific-search-category-in-gtspotter/
>
> Is this what you are looking for?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I often know that I want to look not for the class, its package or
>> methods....
>> but that I want to get the references to a class.
>>
>> Is there a syntax that I can use to instruct spotter about my needs?
>>
>> Stef
>>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"

--

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

stepharo

Re: how can we use Spotter to find reference to a class without scrolling down?

What I wan to say is that when you know what you want you do not need to navigate.
Object
+ cmd click
+ #ref

is too long for me.

Le 4/6/15 21:52, Tudor Girba a écrit :

Hi Stef,

What you are proposing is interesting.

The criteria for the current language is to be minimalistic and composable because it is supposed to work with any object, not just with code, and the speed should be as good as possible in all cases.

At this point, # means filter the existing list by the category. You do not need #ref. It's enough #r. The nice thing about it is that it has clear semantics, is cheap and composable through diving. I think this is a useful operator that we should not remove. But, this does not mean that we cannot play with other operators.

We played also with other predicates, but the problem is that they are slow, and we have limited bandwidth (we have only one process for all computations).

All in all, it would be cool to have experiments in this direction. However, I would want to have simple semantics that can be explained easily. We already have a few simple actions and people still do not use them to their full potential.

Cheers,

Doru

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:35 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:

But why this is so complex?
Why I cannot have

    #ref Object?

or something like that.
And why do we need #ref and not
    #r
    #m
    #s
?
we could have
    #p
    #c

I'm a super user and I want super user tools :)

Stef

Le 3/6/15 01:20, Tudor Girba a écrit :

Hi,

But, that is already possible:

- Search for a class, like Object.

- Dive in (Cmd+Right)

- Type #ref

And you will get the list of references to Object.

Cheers,

Doru

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

I guess he means... Analyse > Class refs
and maybe wanting a syntax like... MyClass #ref
cheers -ben

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If you know the name of the spotter category, you can use the #category,
> like here:
> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/scoping-for-specific-search-category-in-gtspotter/
>
> Is this what you are looking for?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I often know that I want to look not for the class, its package or
>> methods....
>> but that I want to get the references to a class.
>>
>> Is there a syntax that I can use to instruct spotter about my needs?
>>
>> Stef
>>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"

--

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

--

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

Tudor Girba-2

Re: how can we use Spotter to find reference to a class without scrolling down?

Yes, I agree. Now, we just need to find a way that works in practice, is simple enough and is also performant :).

Doru

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:59 AM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:

What I wan to say is that when you know what you want you do not need to navigate.
Object
+ cmd click
+ #ref

is too long for me.

Le 4/6/15 21:52, Tudor Girba a écrit :

Hi Stef,

What you are proposing is interesting.

The criteria for the current language is to be minimalistic and composable because it is supposed to work with any object, not just with code, and the speed should be as good as possible in all cases.

At this point, # means filter the existing list by the category. You do not need #ref. It's enough #r. The nice thing about it is that it has clear semantics, is cheap and composable through diving. I think this is a useful operator that we should not remove. But, this does not mean that we cannot play with other operators.

We played also with other predicates, but the problem is that they are slow, and we have limited bandwidth (we have only one process for all computations).

All in all, it would be cool to have experiments in this direction. However, I would want to have simple semantics that can be explained easily. We already have a few simple actions and people still do not use them to their full potential.

Cheers,

Doru

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:35 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:

But why this is so complex?
Why I cannot have

    #ref Object?

or something like that.
And why do we need #ref and not
    #r
    #m
    #s
?
we could have
    #p
    #c

I'm a super user and I want super user tools :)

Stef

Le 3/6/15 01:20, Tudor Girba a écrit :

Hi,

But, that is already possible:

- Search for a class, like Object.

- Dive in (Cmd+Right)

- Type #ref

And you will get the list of references to Object.

Cheers,

Doru

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

I guess he means... Analyse > Class refs
and maybe wanting a syntax like... MyClass #ref
cheers -ben

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If you know the name of the spotter category, you can use the #category,
> like here:
> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/scoping-for-specific-search-category-in-gtspotter/
>
> Is this what you are looking for?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I often know that I want to look not for the class, its package or
>> methods....
>> but that I want to get the references to a class.
>>
>> Is there a syntax that I can use to instruct spotter about my needs?
>>
>> Stef
>>
>
>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Every thing has its own flow"

--

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

--

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

Stephan Eggermont-3

Re: how can we use Spotter to find reference to a class without scrolling down?

In reply to this post by stepharo

On 02/06/15 22:08, stepharo wrote:
> I often know that I want to look not for the class, its package or
> methods....
> but that I want to get the references to a class.
>
> Is there a syntax that I can use to instruct spotter about my needs?

When in spotter, I might want cmd-m to scope down to implementors,
cmd-n senders, cmd-b browse the currently selected. And perhaps
cmd-r references?

Stephan