https://github.com/amber-smalltalk/amber-documentation (was Re: [amber-lang] Wikiwikiweb - c2.com - Some words on Amber someone?)

Hi

If I search for

    Smalltalk JavaScript

on google, yahoo and bing

I get

amber-lang.net

as the first hit.

So, I think there is not much  need to work on non-Amber pages as of now.

But there is a need to fork

      https://github.com/amber-smalltalk/amber-documentation

and issue pull requests to Nicolas.

I think one of the problems of that site is that it wants to address
different audiences within the same web page.

There are Smalltalkers which do not know much about JavaScript tools
and are bewildered by the many tools they might only know and use a
little.

- node
- npm
- grunt
- bower
- requirejs
- AMD

This might be addressed by a glossary and links to that glossary.

And then Smalltalk people might not be used to the github development style.
The whole thing works best when developing on Linux or Mac.

The main question is:
Why do I need to deal with all this things just in order to get a web
based Smalltalk.

And there are JavaScript people who will miss certain things like a
one-file-deployment JS file.

And there is the CLI and web version.

And questions like: What do I need if I just want to deploy an Amber
app on my server.


To summarize:
- We need to work on https://github.com/amber-smalltalk/amber-documentation
- v0.12.3 actually is great but people do not know it _yet_

--Hannes

It uses markdown.










On 4/11/14, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Good summary. I think that is OK as it refers to the major sites where
> people can get information.
>
> I have added AmberSmalltalk to this page
>
> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SmalltalkEnvironmentComparisons
>
> The last edit before was 10 (ten) years ago!
>
> --Hannes
>
> On 4/11/14, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> As part of our "promotional activities", I think we should write
>> something
>> more extensive here:
>>
>> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?AmberSmalltalk
>>
>> I've added some content and links.
>>
>> Please add some stuff.
>>
>> Phil
>>
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Not even explicit msys+mingw is needed. Just installing git for windows is enough - there is GIt Bash included with main subset of UNIX utils available (if I write some bash script that does things for amber, I always try if it works in Git Bash).

I would conclude that github works fine in Windows as well (even better with IDEs like WebStorm or GUIs like SourceTree). All npm, bower etc. work fine as well.

I would even say it's ok to do some things with bash itself, because Git Bash makes it really cross-platform (if you take just developers' machines into account and keep the aforementioned subset).

Add:

text=auto

at the end of the [core] section.

Then, back to the <project> and remove it all (the .git/ folder will stay as it is a hidden folder).

cd <project>/
rm -rf *

Then check everything out again.

git checkout -f HEAD

Herby

[hidden email] wrote:

I am using a Mingw32+Msys setup on Windows 8.1Pro 64bit and everything works smoothly.

Maybe we can copy a bit from https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/blob/master/README-Win32.md

I am running everything under Console2 which supports multitab terminals and where you can set bash as the default shell. Mostly feels like

iTerm2.

Phil


On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:21 AM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:

    Hi

    If I search for

        Smalltalk JavaScript

    on google, yahoo and bing

    I get

    amber-lang.net <http://amber-lang.net>

    as the first hit.

    So, I think there is not much  need to work on non-Amber pages as
    of now.

    But there is a need to fork

    https://github.com/amber-smalltalk/amber-documentation

    and issue pull requests to Nicolas.

    I think one of the problems of that site is that it wants to address
    different audiences within the same web page.

    There are Smalltalkers which do not know much about JavaScript tools
    and are bewildered by the many tools they might only know and use a
    little.

    - node
    - npm
    - grunt
    - bower
    - requirejs
    - AMD

    This might be addressed by a glossary and link

s to that glossary.

    And then Smalltalk people might not be used to the github
    development style.
    The whole thing works best when developing on Linux or Mac.

    The main question is:
    Why do I need to deal with all this things just in order to get a web
    based Smalltalk.

    And there are JavaScript people who will miss certain things like a
    one-file-deployment JS file.

    And there is the CLI and web version.

    And questions like: What do I need if I just want to deploy an Amber
    app on my server.


    To summarize:
    - We need to work on
    https://github.com/amber-smalltalk/amber-documentation
    - v0.12.3 actually is great but people do not know it _yet_

    --Hannes

    It uses markdown.










    On 4/11/14, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]
    <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
    > Good summary. I think that is OK as it refers to the major sites
    where

    > people can get information.
    >
    > I have added AmberSmalltalk to this page
    >
    > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SmalltalkEnvironmentComparisons
    >
    > The last edit before was 10 (ten) years ago!
    >
    > --Hannes
    >
    > On 4/11/14, [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
    <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
    >> As part of our "promotional activities", I think we should write
    >> something
    >> more extensive here:
    >>
    >> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?AmberSmalltalk
    >>
    >> I've added some content and links.
    >>
    >> Please add some stuff.
    >>
    >> Phil
    >>
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