iPhone OS 4 SDK, section 3.3.1

The old version:

3.3.1 — Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner
prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs.

The new version:

3.3.1 — Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner
prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs.
Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or
JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code
written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link
against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to
Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility
layer or tool are prohibited).

Anyone have any thoughts on this change to the agreement?

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On 4/8/2010 2:43 PM, Sean Malloy wrote:
> Anyone have any thoughts on this change to the agreement?

Just in case anyone had any illusions on this:

http://computinged.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/apple-removes-scratch-from-ipadiphoneitouch/

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On 4/15/2010 11:50 AM, Juan Vuletich wrote:
Indeed. Well, I'm looking forward to a nice Android tablet.
BTW, we can use some help and you won't even have to sign an NDA:

http://code.google.com/p/squeak-android-vm/

Cheers,
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Yes extremely sad.
I imagine that you saw my mail on esug-list.


On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote:


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Not to defend Apple's hubris or anything, but John's other apps  
written in Squeak are still in the store. Scratch was not taken down  
because it is implemented in Squeak, but because it downloads code  
from the internet and runs it.

- Bert -

On 15.04.2010, at 21:20, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]>  
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Thanks for the info. But let us see because we do not know if a squeak-vm is an C or smalltalk app.

Stef


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Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> Not to defend Apple's hubris or anything, but John's other apps
> written in Squeak are still in the store. Scratch was not taken down
> because it is implemented in Squeak, but because it downloads code
> from the internet and runs it.
>
> - Bert -

AH, if that is the case, then there is hope.  If you could modify things
so that only the official site could supply "content" then perhaps the
policy can be circumvented...


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On 15.04.2010, at 22:11, Lawson English wrote:
>
> Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>> Not to defend Apple's hubris or anything, but John's other apps written in Squeak are still in the store. Scratch was not taken down because it is implemented in Squeak, but because it downloads code from the internet and runs it.
>>
>> - Bert -
>
> AH, if that is the case, then there is hope.  If you could modify things so that only the official site could supply "content" then perhaps the policy can be circumvented...

Not really. Apple wants to ensure that the behavior they test is the same as the behavior the users see. So no "active content" download.

Typical apps do not download code, they are only updated when a new version gets released (and each new version is tested again by Apple).

In that sense John's other apps are fine, they are just an executable written in a mix of C and Objective-C, plus a fixed datafile we usually call "image".

- Bert -



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Speaking of esug-list... I was trying to find the thread discussing  
this but don't see any browsable archives since January.  I was  
looking at http://lists.esug.org/pipermail/esug-list/

Thanks,
Phil

On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:20 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:


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>>>
>> AH, if that is the case, then there is hope.  If you could modify things so that only the official site could supply "content" then perhaps the policy can be circumvented...
>
> Not really. Apple wants to ensure that the behavior they test is the same as the behavior the users see. So no "active content" download.
>
> Typical apps do not download code, they are only updated when a new version gets released (and each new version is tested again by Apple).
>
> In that sense John's other apps are fine, they are just an executable written in a mix of C and Objective-C, plus a fixed datafile we usually call "image".

This is exactly what I was wondering... What is a C application nowadays :)
Still I think that the message from apple is blurring their image.
Stef
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 IIUC it doesn't matter because one of the other prohibitions of the section 3.3.1 is the use of 'foreign runtimes' so any interpreted language that they've not listed is out...



Em 15/04/2010 17:11, Stéphane Ducasse < [hidden email] > escreveu:
Thanks for the info. But let us see because we do not know if a squeak-vm is an C or smalltalk app.

Stef


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On 15 April 2010 22:13, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi andreas
>
> I think that indeed this is the only possible reaction to Apple stupidity (I'm using a mac since 92 and I feel sick).
>
ouch..
Luckily, i never used macs. I have been considering to buy a macbook lately,
but now, i'd rather buy something else.
I letting Apple to live and die w/o me :)



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Phil, you can try http://n4.nabble.com/ESUG-f1589038.html

Phil (list) wrote

Speaking of esug-list... I was trying to find the thread discussing  
this but don't see any browsable archives since January.  I was  
looking at http://lists.esug.org/pipermail/esug-list/

Thanks,
Phil

This was a clever reply on the matter
http://pluggio.com/blog/?p=244

Also... congratulations for the release guys !



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>>>
>> AH, if that is the case, then there is hope.  If you could modify things so that only the official site could supply "content" then perhaps the policy can be circumvented...
>
> Not really. Apple wants to ensure that the behavior they test is the same as the behavior the users see. So no "active content" download.
>
> Typical apps do not download code, they are only updated when a new version gets released (and each new version is tested again by Apple).
>
> In that sense John's other apps are fine, they are just an executable written in a mix of C and Objective-C, plus a fixed datafile we usually call "image".

This is exactly what I was wondering... What is a C application nowadays :)
Still I think that the message from apple is blurring their image.
Stef
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Stan,

Perfect... that works for me.

Thanks,
Phil

On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Stan Shepherd wrote:


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