image unable to start correctly...space problem?

> Look like you have a memory leak somewhere.
>
> - The most likely thing is, that you have a background process in an
> infinite recursion and it is slowly eating up all your memory. Go to
> the process browser and terminate all processes that Squeak allows you
> to kill.
>
> - You also have to make sure that you don't reference unwanted object
> from global variables.
>
> - If this does not result to solution you might want to generate an
> overview what objects eat up your space using "SpaceTally new
> printSpaceAnalysis".
>
> Cheers,
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
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>

> Hi Seaside,
>
> This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could not
> properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low". When I
> checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
> 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
> memory.
>
> I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I have 4
> GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded to add
> more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped and
> would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
> image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports available
> memory in excess of 2GB

> Thanks, Lukas. I will try your suggestions.
>
> Ching
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2007 3:46 PM, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Look like you have a memory leak somewhere.
> >
> > - The most likely thing is, that you have a background process in an
> > infinite recursion and it is slowly eating up all your memory. Go to
> > the process browser and terminate all processes that Squeak allows you
> > to kill.
> >
> > - You also have to make sure that you don't reference unwanted object
> > from global variables.
> >
> > - If this does not result to solution you might want to generate an
> > overview what objects eat up your space using "SpaceTally new
> > printSpaceAnalysis".
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Lukas
> >
> > --
> > Lukas Renggli
> > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>

> 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Hi Seaside,
> >
> > This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could not
> > properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low". When I
> > checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
> > 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
> > memory.
> >
> > I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I have 4
> > GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded to add
> > more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped and
> > would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
> > image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports available
> > memory in excess of 2GB
>
> There is a difference between physical and virtual memory. Using
> Squeak images of this size is unknown territory. You'll have to use a
> recent VW and are very likely to spend a considerable amount of time
> on garbage collection.
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
> > Thanks for the help,
> >
> > Ching
>
> > _______________________________________________
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> Thanks,
>
> Ching
>
> On Nov 18, 2007 6:01 PM, Philippe Marschall
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hi Seaside,
> > >
> > > This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could not
> > > properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low". When I
> > > checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
> > > 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
> > > memory.
> > >
> > > I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I have 4
> > > GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded to add
> > > more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped and
> > > would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
> > > image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports available
> > > memory in excess of 2GB
> >
> > There is a difference between physical and virtual memory. Using
> > Squeak images of this size is unknown territory. You'll have to use a
> > recent VW and are very likely to spend a considerable amount of time
> > on garbage collection.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Philippe
> >
> > > Thanks for the help,
> > >
> > > Ching
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > Hi Philippe,
> >
> > I am using Squeak (I presume when you mentioned VW you meant Visual
> > Works?) I have 4GB of physical memory
>
> No I meant VM. You a single process on a 32bit OS will never have 4 GB
> of virtual memory. In general you are limited to 2 GB of virtual
> memory unless you play special tricks. This is completely independend
> of your physical memory size
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
>
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ching
> >
> > On Nov 18, 2007 6:01 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Hi Seaside,
> > > >
> > > > This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could not
> > > > properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low". When I
> > > > checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
> > > > 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
> > > > memory.
> > > >
> > > > I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I have 4
> > > > GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded to add
> > > > more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped and
> > > > would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
> > > > image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports available
> > > > memory in excess of 2GB
> > >
> > > There is a difference between physical and virtual memory. Using
> > > Squeak images of this size is unknown territory. You'll have to use a
> > > recent VW and are very likely to spend a considerable amount of time
> > > on garbage collection.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Philippe
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the help,
> > > >
> > > > Ching
> > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > [hidden email]
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> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
>> Hi Philippe,
>>
>> I am using Squeak (I presume when you mentioned VW you meant Visual
>> Works?) I have 4GB of physical memory
>
> No I meant VM. You a single process on a 32bit OS will never have 4 GB
> of virtual memory. In general you are limited to 2 GB of virtual
> memory unless you play special tricks. This is completely independend
> of your physical memory size
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ching
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2007 6:01 PM, Philippe Marschall
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>> Hi Seaside,
>>>>
>>>> This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could  
>>>> not
>>>> properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low".  
>>>> When I
>>>> checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
>>>> 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
>>>> memory.
>>>>
>>>> I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I  
>>>> have 4
>>>> GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded  
>>>> to add
>>>> more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped  
>>>> and
>>>> would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
>>>> image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports  
>>>> available
>>>> memory in excess of 2GB
>>>
>>> There is a difference between physical and virtual memory. Using
>>> Squeak images of this size is unknown territory. You'll have to  
>>> use a
>>> recent VW and are very likely to spend a considerable amount of time
>>> on garbage collection.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Philippe
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the help,
>>>>
>>>> Ching
>>>

> On Nov 18, 2007 6:15 PM, Philippe Marschall
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > Hi Philippe,
> > >
> > > I am using Squeak (I presume when you mentioned VW you meant Visual
> > > Works?) I have 4GB of physical memory
> >
> > No I meant VM. You a single process on a 32bit OS will never have 4 GB
> > of virtual memory. In general you are limited to 2 GB of virtual
> > memory unless you play special tricks. This is completely independend
> > of your physical memory size
> >
> > Cheers
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ching
> > >
> > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:01 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Seaside,
> > > > >
> > > > > This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could not
> > > > > properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low". When I
> > > > > checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
> > > > > 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
> > > > > memory.
> > > > >
> > > > > I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I have 4
> > > > > GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded to add
> > > > > more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped and
> > > > > would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
> > > > > image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports available
> > > > > memory in excess of 2GB
> > > >
> > > > There is a difference between physical and virtual memory. Using
> > > > Squeak images of this size is unknown territory. You'll have to use a
> > > > recent VW and are very likely to spend a considerable amount of time
> > > > on garbage collection.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Philippe
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the help,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ching
> > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
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> > >
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> Ok, let me clarify a few things, no one mentions the operating system,
> although I guess it's Windows based on mention of squeak.exe
>
> (a) most 32bit operating systems won't let you allocate a chunk of
> memory > 2 GB
> (b) some 32bit operating systems won't let you allocate a chunk of
> memory > 1.5 GB
> (c) Until just recently allocating > 2GB of memory for a Squeak image
> would cause the VM to fail.
>
> (c) The Squeak VM (all platforms) come with a upper limit on how big
> the image can grow, what that limit is
> is dependent on which VM and which version.  Some VMs will let you set
> the upper limit when you start the VM
>   http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/105
>
> Someone will need to check but it looks like the windows VM is built
> with a max of 512MB for the image memory
> sqWin32Alloc.h
>
> /*
>     Limit the default size for virtual memory to 512MB to avoid nasty
>     spurious problems when large dynamic libraries are loaded later.
>     Applications needing more virtual memory can increase the size by
>     defining it appropriately - here we try to cater for the common
>     case by using a "reasonable" size that will leave enough space for
>     other libraries.
> */
> #ifndef MAX_VIRTUAL_MEMORY
> #define MAX_VIRTUAL_MEMORY 512*1024*1024
> #endif
>
>
> Solutions to very large squeak images are:
>
> (a) Run a 64 squeak Vm with 32bit Image, that should allow a 4GB
> squeak image.
> (b) Ensure you have all the 32bit VM patchs so you can actually access
>  > 2GB
> (c) The GC logic and how it is tuned is not designed for multi-GB
> image. See
> http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2006/pres/gctalkjohnmacintosh.pdf
> (d) Ensure the memory upper bound set is sufficient for your needs.
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2007, at 2:15 AM, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>
> > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> >> Hi Philippe,
> >>
> >> I am using Squeak (I presume when you mentioned VW you meant Visual
> >> Works?) I have 4GB of physical memory
> >
> > No I meant VM. You a single process on a 32bit OS will never have 4 GB
> > of virtual memory. In general you are limited to 2 GB of virtual
> > memory unless you play special tricks. This is completely independend
> > of your physical memory size
> >
> > Cheers
> > Philippe
> >
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ching
> >>
> >> On Nov 18, 2007 6:01 PM, Philippe Marschall
> >> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Seaside,
> >>>>
> >>>> This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could
> >>>> not
> >>>> properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low".
> >>>> When I
> >>>> checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
> >>>> 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
> >>>> memory.
> >>>>
> >>>> I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I
> >>>> have 4
> >>>> GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded
> >>>> to add
> >>>> more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped
> >>>> and
> >>>> would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
> >>>> image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports
> >>>> available
> >>>> memory in excess of 2GB
> >>>
> >>> There is a difference between physical and virtual memory. Using
> >>> Squeak images of this size is unknown territory. You'll have to
> >>> use a
> >>> recent VW and are very likely to spend a considerable amount of time
> >>> on garbage collection.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Philippe
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks for the help,
> >>>>
> >>>> Ching
> >>>
>
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> 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > I see. Do you think I have a memory leak somewhere?
>
> Yes, definitely.
>
> > Lukas has
> > suggested killing processes one by one at the process browser.
>
> Among other things. I'm not convinced killing process fixes you problem.
>
> > How do
> > I do this?
>
> - open the process brower
> - select a process
> - right click
> - terminate
>
> note that you can not kill some vital processes
>
> > It does seem unusual that the OS should report 800 MB or
> > memory being used by the app.
>
> It's not the OS, it's Squeak.
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
>
> > On Nov 18, 2007 6:15 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > Hi Philippe,
> > > >
> > > > I am using Squeak (I presume when you mentioned VW you meant Visual
> > > > Works?) I have 4GB of physical memory
> > >
> > > No I meant VM. You a single process on a 32bit OS will never have 4 GB
> > > of virtual memory. In general you are limited to 2 GB of virtual
> > > memory unless you play special tricks. This is completely independend
> > > of your physical memory size
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Philippe
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Ching
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:01 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Seaside,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could not
> > > > > > properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low". When I
> > > > > > checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
> > > > > > 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
> > > > > > memory.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I have 4
> > > > > > GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded to add
> > > > > > more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped and
> > > > > > would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
> > > > > > image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports available
> > > > > > memory in excess of 2GB
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a difference between physical and virtual memory. Using
> > > > > Squeak images of this size is unknown territory. You'll have to use a
> > > > > recent VW and are very likely to spend a considerable amount of time
> > > > > on garbage collection.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Philippe
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the help,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ching
> > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
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> > >
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> Ching
>
> On Nov 18, 2007 6:43 PM, Philippe Marschall
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > I see. Do you think I have a memory leak somewhere?
> >
> > Yes, definitely.
> >
> > > Lukas has
> > > suggested killing processes one by one at the process browser.
> >
> > Among other things. I'm not convinced killing process fixes you problem.
> >
> > > How do
> > > I do this?
> >
> > - open the process brower
> > - select a process
> > - right click
> > - terminate
> >
> > note that you can not kill some vital processes
> >
> > > It does seem unusual that the OS should report 800 MB or
> > > memory being used by the app.
> >
> > It's not the OS, it's Squeak.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:15 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > Hi Philippe,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am using Squeak (I presume when you mentioned VW you meant Visual
> > > > > Works?) I have 4GB of physical memory
> > > >
> > > > No I meant VM. You a single process on a 32bit OS will never have 4 GB
> > > > of virtual memory. In general you are limited to 2 GB of virtual
> > > > memory unless you play special tricks. This is completely independend
> > > > of your physical memory size
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Philippe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ching
> > > > >
> > > > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:01 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Seaside,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could not
> > > > > > > properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low". When I
> > > > > > > checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
> > > > > > > 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
> > > > > > > memory.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I have 4
> > > > > > > GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded to add
> > > > > > > more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped and
> > > > > > > would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
> > > > > > > image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports available
> > > > > > > memory in excess of 2GB
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a difference between physical and virtual memory. Using
> > > > > > Squeak images of this size is unknown territory. You'll have to use a
> > > > > > recent VW and are very likely to spend a considerable amount of time
> > > > > > on garbage collection.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Philippe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for the help,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ching
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > [hidden email]
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> > > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > >
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> > > >
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> 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > Hi Philippe,
> >
> > I have a process browser open. Selecting a process, I right click and I get
> >   inspect
> >   explore
> >   find again..
> > I cannot find a terminate option
>
> As I said, you can not terminate some vital processes. Select a
> non-vital process.
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
>
> > Ching
> >
> > On Nov 18, 2007 6:43 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > I see. Do you think I have a memory leak somewhere?
> > >
> > > Yes, definitely.
> > >
> > > > Lukas has
> > > > suggested killing processes one by one at the process browser.
> > >
> > > Among other things. I'm not convinced killing process fixes you problem.
> > >
> > > > How do
> > > > I do this?
> > >
> > > - open the process brower
> > > - select a process
> > > - right click
> > > - terminate
> > >
> > > note that you can not kill some vital processes
> > >
> > > > It does seem unusual that the OS should report 800 MB or
> > > > memory being used by the app.
> > >
> > > It's not the OS, it's Squeak.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Philippe
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:15 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > > Hi Philippe,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am using Squeak (I presume when you mentioned VW you meant Visual
> > > > > > Works?) I have 4GB of physical memory
> > > > >
> > > > > No I meant VM. You a single process on a 32bit OS will never have 4 GB
> > > > > of virtual memory. In general you are limited to 2 GB of virtual
> > > > > memory unless you play special tricks. This is completely independend
> > > > > of your physical memory size
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Philippe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ching
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:01 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > > > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Seaside,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could not
> > > > > > > > properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low". When I
> > > > > > > > checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
> > > > > > > > 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
> > > > > > > > memory.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I have 4
> > > > > > > > GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded to add
> > > > > > > > more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped and
> > > > > > > > would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
> > > > > > > > image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports available
> > > > > > > > memory in excess of 2GB
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is a difference between physical and virtual memory. Using
> > > > > > > Squeak images of this size is unknown territory. You'll have to use a
> > > > > > > recent VW and are very likely to spend a considerable amount of time
> > > > > > > on garbage collection.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > Philippe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the help,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ching
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> Funny thing is, memory use is down to 235 MB and I have started to run
> the Seaside app from localhost.
>
> Ching
>
> On Nov 18, 2007 7:00 PM, Philippe Marschall
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > Hi Philippe,
> > >
> > > I have a process browser open. Selecting a process, I right click and I get
> > >   inspect
> > >   explore
> > >   find again..
> > > I cannot find a terminate option
> >
> > As I said, you can not terminate some vital processes. Select a
> > non-vital process.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> > > Ching
> > >
> > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:43 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > I see. Do you think I have a memory leak somewhere?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, definitely.
> > > >
> > > > > Lukas has
> > > > > suggested killing processes one by one at the process browser.
> > > >
> > > > Among other things. I'm not convinced killing process fixes you problem.
> > > >
> > > > > How do
> > > > > I do this?
> > > >
> > > > - open the process brower
> > > > - select a process
> > > > - right click
> > > > - terminate
> > > >
> > > > note that you can not kill some vital processes
> > > >
> > > > > It does seem unusual that the OS should report 800 MB or
> > > > > memory being used by the app.
> > > >
> > > > It's not the OS, it's Squeak.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Philippe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:15 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > > > Hi Philippe,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am using Squeak (I presume when you mentioned VW you meant Visual
> > > > > > > Works?) I have 4GB of physical memory
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No I meant VM. You a single process on a 32bit OS will never have 4 GB
> > > > > > of virtual memory. In general you are limited to 2 GB of virtual
> > > > > > memory unless you play special tricks. This is completely independend
> > > > > > of your physical memory size
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Philippe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ching
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:01 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > > > > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Seaside,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could not
> > > > > > > > > properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low". When I
> > > > > > > > > checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
> > > > > > > > > 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
> > > > > > > > > memory.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I have 4
> > > > > > > > > GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded to add
> > > > > > > > > more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped and
> > > > > > > > > would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
> > > > > > > > > image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports available
> > > > > > > > > memory in excess of 2GB
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is a difference between physical and virtual memory. Using
> > > > > > > > Squeak images of this size is unknown territory. You'll have to use a
> > > > > > > > recent VW and are very likely to spend a considerable amount of time
> > > > > > > > on garbage collection.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > Philippe
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ching
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > seaside mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > seaside mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >
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> 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > Thanks Philippe,
> >
> > It seems to me I only have vital processes running at this point.
>
> That would make 8 process and may an additional 9th Seaside process
> that you should be able to kill. Can you post a list of your
> processes?
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
>
> > Funny thing is, memory use is down to 235 MB and I have started to run
> > the Seaside app from localhost.
> >
> > Ching
> >
> > On Nov 18, 2007 7:00 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > Hi Philippe,
> > > >
> > > > I have a process browser open. Selecting a process, I right click and I get
> > > >   inspect
> > > >   explore
> > > >   find again..
> > > > I cannot find a terminate option
> > >
> > > As I said, you can not terminate some vital processes. Select a
> > > non-vital process.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Philippe
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ching
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:43 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > > I see. Do you think I have a memory leak somewhere?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, definitely.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Lukas has
> > > > > > suggested killing processes one by one at the process browser.
> > > > >
> > > > > Among other things. I'm not convinced killing process fixes you problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > > How do
> > > > > > I do this?
> > > > >
> > > > > - open the process brower
> > > > > - select a process
> > > > > - right click
> > > > > - terminate
> > > > >
> > > > > note that you can not kill some vital processes
> > > > >
> > > > > > It does seem unusual that the OS should report 800 MB or
> > > > > > memory being used by the app.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not the OS, it's Squeak.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Philippe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:15 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > > > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > > > > Hi Philippe,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am using Squeak (I presume when you mentioned VW you meant Visual
> > > > > > > > Works?) I have 4GB of physical memory
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No I meant VM. You a single process on a 32bit OS will never have 4 GB
> > > > > > > of virtual memory. In general you are limited to 2 GB of virtual
> > > > > > > memory unless you play special tricks. This is completely independend
> > > > > > > of your physical memory size
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > Philippe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ching
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 2007 6:01 PM, Philippe Marschall
> > > > > > > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 2007/11/18, Ching de la Serna <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Seaside,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This problem has been bedeviling me for a long time now. I could not
> > > > > > > > > > properly start my image after I got a message, "Space is low". When I
> > > > > > > > > > checked, Squeak.exe process was reported to be 800,000 MB and I had
> > > > > > > > > > 2GB of memory. Several other processes were competing with the 2GB
> > > > > > > > > > memory.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I proceeded to try to solve this by adding more memory. Now, I have 4
> > > > > > > > > > GB of physical memory and my app started fine. When I proceeded to add
> > > > > > > > > > more methods and tried to save, I lost my app in that it stopped and
> > > > > > > > > > would not start again. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? my
> > > > > > > > > > image is a little over 800 MB and my memory manager reports available
> > > > > > > > > > memory in excess of 2GB
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is a difference between physical and virtual memory. Using
> > > > > > > > > Squeak images of this size is unknown territory. You'll have to use a
> > > > > > > > > recent VW and are very likely to spend a considerable amount of time
> > > > > > > > > on garbage collection.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > Philippe
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ching
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > seaside mailing list
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > seaside mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >
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