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looking for input for a lecture on TDD and XtremeTDD

Stéphane Ducasse
Hello 

I would like to build a lecture around TDD and XtremeTDD (coding in the debugger). 
I’m looking around to see if someone already did such a lecture. 

S. 
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03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Julie Jonas 
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley, 
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
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Re: looking for input for a lecture on TDD and XtremeTDD

Stephan Eggermont-3
Hi Stef,

I’ve done some workshops and screencasts. In the workshops (oops, already a few years ago) I used a morph that was moving on the screen to emphasize the liveness. The BabyMock2 work by Attila Magyar is also great for that. It also is good to show the difference between Chicago and London style TDD, and connect to BDD. In Smalltalk, that is more represented by the exploratory modeling I was introduced to by Rob Vens. 

https://www.reflektis.nl/blog/exploratory-modelling-explained/

For a lecture TDD as if you meant is is a good starting point:

https://cumulative-hypotheses.org/2011/08/30/tdd-as-if-you-meant-it/

GToolkit of course provides some nice example-driven development, that combines well with literate programming 

In my latest screencasts I ran into the following issues:
- restarting a test does not make it green after going through it if it needed a fix
- can’t step into simple accessors (and other optimized code?)
- in addition to create, need to be able to create/change setUp/initialize/shutDown
- a refactoring ‘turn fake into class’ is missing where instVar := self and there are methods categorized as ‘faking instVar’



Stephan

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Op 14 apr. 2020 om 14:36 heeft Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> het volgende geschreven:

Hello 

I would like to build a lecture around TDD and XtremeTDD (coding in the debugger). 
I’m looking around to see if someone already did such a lecture. 

S. 
--------------------------------------------
Stéphane Ducasse
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Julie Jonas 
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley, 
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France

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Re: looking for input for a lecture on TDD and XtremeTDD

Stéphane Ducasse
tx!


On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:44, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Stef,

I’ve done some workshops and screencasts. In the workshops (oops, already a few years ago) I used a morph that was moving on the screen to emphasize the liveness. The BabyMock2 work by Attila Magyar is also great for that. It also is good to show the difference between Chicago and London style TDD, and connect to BDD. In Smalltalk, that is more represented by the exploratory modeling I was introduced to by Rob Vens. 

https://www.reflektis.nl/blog/exploratory-modelling-explained/

For a lecture TDD as if you meant is is a good starting point:

https://cumulative-hypotheses.org/2011/08/30/tdd-as-if-you-meant-it/

GToolkit of course provides some nice example-driven development, that combines well with literate programming 

In my latest screencasts I ran into the following issues:
- restarting a test does not make it green after going through it if it needed a fix
- can’t step into simple accessors (and other optimized code?)
- in addition to create, need to be able to create/change setUp/initialize/shutDown
- a refactoring ‘turn fake into class’ is missing where instVar := self and there are methods categorized as ‘faking instVar’



Stephan

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Op 14 apr. 2020 om 14:36 heeft Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> het volgende geschreven:

Hello 

I would like to build a lecture around TDD and XtremeTDD (coding in the debugger). 
I’m looking around to see if someone already did such a lecture. 

S. 
--------------------------------------------
Stéphane Ducasse
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Julie Jonas 
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley, 
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France

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Stéphane Ducasse
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Julie Jonas 
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley, 
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


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