new iphone rule impact...

What will be the impact if any of the new iphone rule..:

"3.3.1--Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited)."

Rules out Smalltalk...? Not intended but I guess in the tiff between the heavy weights.. its collateral effects...!




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Hi

I really think that we should react as a community. And ask a boycott of iphone and ipod.
Scratch was removed from the app store today because of that fucking change.
Stef


On Apr 14, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Sudhakar Krishnamachari wrote:


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If by "community" you mean Smalltalkers, I don't think Apple will notice...


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On Apr 14, 2010, at 6:26 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:


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But does this not then ban nearly everything written in Core Java/ or any Java, C#, .Net, python, ruby, and the whole lot of languages and platforms...!..

This is surely suicidal for Apple I guess...purely from a reactionary fall out of the community of developers.. I am sure core Mac developers would also not like this policy..


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Then in that case we can also suicide.
I think that we have web sites and this is what counts.

Stef

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I think a mass suicide of Smalltalkers is a bit extreme, but that's something Apple would probably notice.  I don't, however, recommend it as a course of action.  Maybe we could choose something a bit less painful :-).

David Buck

stephane ducasse wrote:

Then in that case we can also suicide.
I think that we have web sites and this is what counts. 

Stef

On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:46 AM, James Robertson wrote:

  

If by "community" you mean Smalltalkers, I don't think Apple will notice...


James Robertson
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On Apr 14, 2010, at 6:26 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:

    

Hi

I really think that we should react as a community. And ask a boycott of iphone and ipod.
Scratch was removed from the app store today because of that fucking change.
Stef


On Apr 14, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Sudhakar Krishnamachari wrote:

      

What will be the impact if any of the new iphone rule..:

"3.3.1--Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited)."

Rules out Smalltalk...? Not intended but I guess in the tiff between the heavy weights.. its collateral effects...!



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I think Apple is well aware of the fact that few developers might be
upset (some for good reason and some just because). They are also well
aware that developers wanting to sell stuff in their ecosystem have 2
choices: play by the rules or don't play at all. If BMW changes their
rim design tomorrow, as much as Bridgestones of this world might
complain, they'll adjust their designs and manufacturing processes
simply because they are in business of selling tires.

Nonetheless, it makes sense to continue the dialog with Apple if
possible, but not by threatening, but by reasoning as former approach
never seems to work for some strange reason.

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Then in that case we can also suicide.
I think that we have web sites and this is what counts.

Stef

On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:46 AM, James Robertson wrote:

> If by "community" you mean Smalltalkers, I don't think Apple will
notice... of iphone and ipod.
>> Scratch was removed from the app store today because of that fucking
change.
>> Stef
>>
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Sudhakar Krishnamachari wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What will be the impact if any of the new iphone rule..:
>>>
>>> "3.3.1--Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner
prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs.
Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or
JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code
written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against
the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs
through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are
prohibited)."
>>>
>>> Rules out Smalltalk...? Not intended but I guess in the tiff between
the heavy weights.. its collateral effects...!

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On Apr 15, 2010, at 2:34 PM, David Buck wrote:

> I think a mass suicide of Smalltalkers is a bit extreme, but that's something Apple would probably notice.  I don't, however, recommend it as a course of action.  Maybe we could choose something a bit less painful :-).
LOL
Immolation :)

Stef


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