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Stéphane Ducasse

recovering from a deep disc crash….

so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead

abergel

Re: recovering from a deep disc crash….

Time machine is wonderful for this...

Alexandre

On Oct 17, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:

> so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead
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NorbertHartl

Re: recovering from a deep disc crash….

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Am 17.10.2013 um 23:10 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>:

so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead

Really strange to see that people _know_ things can break but they wonder if their own stuff breaks _all of a sudden_. :)

For Mac users there are two really good options. One is using timemachine and the other is using Arq[1] that makes timemachine like backups on amazon S3. Works like a charm from wherever you are.

For both options you need to spend money. But it is nothing compared to the pain of loosing all your data. Really!

If you don't want to spend money or don't have a mac you can still make backups to another computer using rsync. You'll find plenty of articles if you search the net for rsync and backup.

Norbert

[1] http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/

[2] http://rsync.samba.org/

kilon

Re: recovering from a deep disc crash….

I learned my lesson once, back in my University days, I was doing a law essay in English (Greek is my mother tongue so definitely not easy) , I was working for hours , back then microsoft word had no auto save, forgot to save, accidentally close the window , bye bye work. That was 1999-2000. Suffice to say that I was typing like insane few hours before submitting my work. It was not just that I would fail my course (just a single subject of it) if I did not submit but I would get only 50% grade cause English unis dont allows you to get more if you redo an essay, exam whatever. So really bad experience.

From there on , all is online baby. Me and the Internet are closest friends. Time machine is a recent friend, I am already using DropBox for my law documents (microsoft word), MediaFire for my big files , soundclick for the music I compose and souncloud. Code has been before smalltalk that I was doing python only github and now for pharo smalltalkhub. So I rarely keep things locally, of course with time machine I have covered that corner too.

On Friday, 18 October 2013, 8:34, Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]> wrote:

Am 17.10.2013 um 23:10 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>:

so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead

Really strange to see that people _know_ things can break but they wonder if their own stuff breaks _all of a sudden_. :)

For Mac users there are two really good options. One is using timemachine and the other is using Arq[1] that makes timemachine like backups on amazon S3. Works like a charm from wherever you are.

For both options you need to spend money. But it is nothing compared to the pain of loosing all your data. Really!

If you don't want to spend money or don't have a mac you can still make backups to another computer using rsync. You'll find plenty of articles if you search the net for rsync and backup.

Norbert

[1] http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/

[2] http://rsync.samba.org/

Goubier Thierry

Re: recovering from a deep disc crash….

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I remember trying to recover mail folders by reading the blocks on disk
one by one with a binary editor...

Ended learning far too much about the internal layout of an ext2 filesystem.

But dead harddrive is nice in one way: you don't loose time trying to
recover stuff, you know it's dead :(

Thierry

Le 17/10/2013 23:10, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit :
> so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead
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Igor Stasenko

Re: recovering from a deep disc crash….

thankfully, i never had problems with hardware: it serves me well.

But still didn't prevented from losing precious data: the humans who break into my apartment and stole the machine,
with all data it has :(

On 18 October 2013 11:18, Goubier Thierry <[hidden email]> wrote:

I remember trying to recover mail folders by reading the blocks on disk one by one with a binary editor...

Ended learning far too much about the internal layout of an ext2 filesystem.

But dead harddrive is nice in one way: you don't loose time trying to recover stuff, you know it's dead :(

Thierry

Le 17/10/2013 23:10, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit :

so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead

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Nicolas Cellier

Re: recovering from a deep disc crash….

Igor,

your hardware never failed?

It must be some special brand crafted in former soviet union ;)

2013/10/18 Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]>

thankfully, i never had problems with hardware: it serves me well.
But still didn't prevented from losing precious data: the humans who break into my apartment and stole the machine,
with all data it has :(

On 18 October 2013 11:18, Goubier Thierry <[hidden email]> wrote:

I remember trying to recover mail folders by reading the blocks on disk one by one with a binary editor...

Ended learning far too much about the internal layout of an ext2 filesystem.

But dead harddrive is nice in one way: you don't loose time trying to recover stuff, you know it's dead :(

Thierry

Le 17/10/2013 23:10, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit :

so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead

--
Thierry Goubier
CEA list
Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués
91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex
France
Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

--
Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.

Igor Stasenko

Re: recovering from a deep disc crash….

On 18 October 2013 12:52, Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]> wrote:

Igor,
your hardware never failed?
It must be some special brand crafted in former soviet union ;)

well, sure i had problems with it, but not at cost of total data loss.
couple times its keyboard, mouse, once it was monitor and once is motherboard,
but never the hard drive :)

2013/10/18 Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]>

thankfully, i never had problems with hardware: it serves me well.
But still didn't prevented from losing precious data: the humans who break into my apartment and stole the machine,
with all data it has :(

On 18 October 2013 11:18, Goubier Thierry <[hidden email]> wrote:

I remember trying to recover mail folders by reading the blocks on disk one by one with a binary editor...

Ended learning far too much about the internal layout of an ext2 filesystem.

But dead harddrive is nice in one way: you don't loose time trying to recover stuff, you know it's dead :(

Thierry

Le 17/10/2013 23:10, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit :

so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead

--
Thierry Goubier
CEA list
Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués
91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex
France
Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

--
Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.

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Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: recovering from a deep disc crash….

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On Oct 18, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Goubier Thierry <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I remember trying to recover mail folders by reading the blocks on disk one by one with a binary editor...
>
> Ended learning far too much about the internal layout of an ext2 filesystem.
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> But dead harddrive is nice in one way: you don't loose time trying to recover stuff, you know it's dead :(

Indeed :)

Stef

> Thierry
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> Le 17/10/2013 23:10, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit :
>> so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead
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> Thierry Goubier
> CEA list
> Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués
> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex
> France
> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
>

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: recovering from a deep disc crash….

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On Oct 17, 2013, at 11:52 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Time machine is wonderful for this…

But i was not backuping applications so I had to reinstall them. :)

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> Alexandre
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> On Oct 17, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> so backup your machine… because mine was still working at 8h this morning and 8h40 dropped dead
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