running Pharo8 in Digitalocean

> Hi,
>
> I am using a Windows 10 local machine and digitalocean ubuntu server
> droplet
> - how can I run pharo 8 remotedly in the windows 10 inbuilt powershell ssh
> terminal - or any other method
>
> (I have  successfully executed
>     # ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer startDefaultOn: 8080'
> and connected from my local machine)
>
>
>
>
> -----
> cheers,
> Sanjay
> --
> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

> On 16 May 2020, at 07:00, Sanjay Minni <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Eventually in a Digitalocean Ubuntu droplet, I connected from Windows 10 to
> a Ubuntu Graphical desktop, installed PharoLauncher and couple of images and
> got seaside up, installed Mongo DB and a Pharo App. pretty smooth and can
> share how to step by step if anybody is interested.
>
> (note: no additional software is required on Windows 10 except chrome - as
> SSH, Remote Desktop is inbuilt, Chrome only for its VNC app)
>
> Question: what is the best way to run and leave the Pharo App as a seaside
> server running.  
> Currently I am running thru the X Desktop and if I Disconnect / logout from
> the remote desktop session then the pharo app may go down. also is that the
> most stable and resource optimised way
>
> further: is Apache recommended
>
>
>
>
> -----
> cheers,
> Sanjay
> --
> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
>

> On 16 May 2020, at 09:22, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Everybody is free to do whatever they want, of course.
>
> My advice would be to not use graphical tools to deploy server applications (unless as add ons afterwards, like a dashboard or management app).
>
> Use Linux (Ubuntu is the safest choice).
>
> Stick with headless (no gui) command line tools.
>
> Pharo is very good at this.

> The following book chapter explain things reasonably well:
>
> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/DeploymentWeb/DeployForProduction.html
>
> Nowadays, you would use Baselines and git though.
>
> I can give you more info if you want. Feel free to ask questions.
>
> Sven
>
>> On 16 May 2020, at 07:00, Sanjay Minni <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Eventually in a Digitalocean Ubuntu droplet, I connected from Windows 10 to
>> a Ubuntu Graphical desktop, installed PharoLauncher and couple of images and
>> got seaside up, installed Mongo DB and a Pharo App. pretty smooth and can
>> share how to step by step if anybody is interested.
>>
>> (note: no additional software is required on Windows 10 except chrome - as
>> SSH, Remote Desktop is inbuilt, Chrome only for its VNC app)
>>
>> Question: what is the best way to run and leave the Pharo App as a seaside
>> server running.  
>> Currently I am running thru the X Desktop and if I Disconnect / logout from
>> the remote desktop session then the pharo app may go down. also is that the
>> most stable and resource optimised way
>>
>> further: is Apache recommended
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> cheers,
>> Sanjay
>> --
>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
>>
>

> &gt; wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Everybody is free to do whatever they want, of course.
>>
>> My advice would be to not use graphical tools to deploy server
>> applications (unless as add ons afterwards, like a dashboard or
>> management app).
>>
>> Use Linux (Ubuntu is the safest choice).
>>
>> Stick with headless (no gui) command line tools.
>>
>> Pharo is very good at this.
>
> Also use 64-bit (that is 64-bit Pharo on 64-bit Linux), it will make your
> life much easier.
>
> Here is a short example:
>
> stfx@audio359:~$ mkdir pharo8
>
> stfx@audio359:~$ cd !$
> cd pharo8
>
> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl get.pharo.org/64/80+vm | bash
>   % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
> Current
>                                  Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
> Speed
> 100  3054  100  3054    0     0  67866      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--
> 69409
> Downloading the latest 80 Image:
>     http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64.zip
> Pharo.image
> Downloading the latest pharoVM:
> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64-linux-stable.zip
> pharo-vm/pharo
> Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui
>
> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer
> startOn: 9090' &
> [1] 84125
> nohup: ignoring input and appending output to 'nohup.out'
>
> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl http://localhost:9090/random
> CF4173824EF6E0D9F336E5464A5FACB8ABEFFD1A6EE7A5F9F6631186F619606
>
> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ jobs
> [1]+  Running                 nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit
> 'ZnServer startOn: 9090' &
>
> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ kill %1
> [1]+  Terminated              nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit
> 'ZnServer startOn: 9090'
>
> BTW, nohup is one way to keep something running after you log out
> (systemctl services being the pro/real way)
>
>> The following book chapter explain things reasonably well:
>>
>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/DeploymentWeb/DeployForProduction.html
>>
>> Nowadays, you would use Baselines and git though.
>>
>> I can give you more info if you want. Feel free to ask questions.
>>
>> Sven
>>
>>> On 16 May 2020, at 07:00, Sanjay Minni &lt;

> &gt; wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Eventually in a Digitalocean Ubuntu droplet, I connected from Windows 10
>>> to
>>> a Ubuntu Graphical desktop, installed PharoLauncher and couple of images
>>> and
>>> got seaside up, installed Mongo DB and a Pharo App. pretty smooth and
>>> can
>>> share how to step by step if anybody is interested.
>>>
>>> (note: no additional software is required on Windows 10 except chrome -
>>> as
>>> SSH, Remote Desktop is inbuilt, Chrome only for its VNC app)
>>>
>>> Question: what is the best way to run and leave the Pharo App as a
>>> seaside
>>> server running.  
>>> Currently I am running thru the X Desktop and if I Disconnect / logout
>>> from
>>> the remote desktop session then the pharo app may go down. also is that
>>> the
>>> most stable and resource optimised way
>>>
>>> further: is Apache recommended
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> cheers,
>>> Sanjay
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
>>>
>>

> On 16 May 2020, at 11:15, Sanjay Minni <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Can I run this way the same image which otherwise runs fine thru the
> graphical environment
>
> When I run that image in graphical environment it immediately starts as the
> application server. So cwould it work from the command line tools without
> changes.
>
> ...$ ...
> ...$ nohup ./pharo <myPharo.imageWithCompletePath>

> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
>>> On 16 May 2020, at 09:22, Sven Van Caekenberghe &lt;
>
>> sven@
>
>> &gt; wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Everybody is free to do whatever they want, of course.
>>>
>>> My advice would be to not use graphical tools to deploy server
>>> applications (unless as add ons afterwards, like a dashboard or
>>> management app).
>>>
>>> Use Linux (Ubuntu is the safest choice).
>>>
>>> Stick with headless (no gui) command line tools.
>>>
>>> Pharo is very good at this.
>>
>> Also use 64-bit (that is 64-bit Pharo on 64-bit Linux), it will make your
>> life much easier.
>>
>> Here is a short example:
>>
>> stfx@audio359:~$ mkdir pharo8
>>
>> stfx@audio359:~$ cd !$
>> cd pharo8
>>
>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl get.pharo.org/64/80+vm | bash
>>  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
>> Current
>>                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
>> Speed
>> 100  3054  100  3054    0     0  67866      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--
>> 69409
>> Downloading the latest 80 Image:
>>    http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64.zip
>> Pharo.image
>> Downloading the latest pharoVM:
>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64-linux-stable.zip
>> pharo-vm/pharo
>> Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui
>>
>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer
>> startOn: 9090' &
>> [1] 84125
>> nohup: ignoring input and appending output to 'nohup.out'
>>
>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl http://localhost:9090/random
>> CF4173824EF6E0D9F336E5464A5FACB8ABEFFD1A6EE7A5F9F6631186F619606
>>
>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ jobs
>> [1]+  Running                 nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit
>> 'ZnServer startOn: 9090' &
>>
>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ kill %1
>> [1]+  Terminated              nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit
>> 'ZnServer startOn: 9090'
>>
>> BTW, nohup is one way to keep something running after you log out
>> (systemctl services being the pro/real way)
>>
>>> The following book chapter explain things reasonably well:
>>>
>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/DeploymentWeb/DeployForProduction.html
>>>
>>> Nowadays, you would use Baselines and git though.
>>>
>>> I can give you more info if you want. Feel free to ask questions.
>>>
>>> Sven
>>>
>>>> On 16 May 2020, at 07:00, Sanjay Minni &lt;
>
>> sm@
>
>> &gt; wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Eventually in a Digitalocean Ubuntu droplet, I connected from Windows 10
>>>> to
>>>> a Ubuntu Graphical desktop, installed PharoLauncher and couple of images
>>>> and
>>>> got seaside up, installed Mongo DB and a Pharo App. pretty smooth and
>>>> can
>>>> share how to step by step if anybody is interested.
>>>>
>>>> (note: no additional software is required on Windows 10 except chrome -
>>>> as
>>>> SSH, Remote Desktop is inbuilt, Chrome only for its VNC app)
>>>>
>>>> Question: what is the best way to run and leave the Pharo App as a
>>>> seaside
>>>> server running.  
>>>> Currently I am running thru the X Desktop and if I Disconnect / logout
>>>> from
>>>> the remote desktop session then the pharo app may go down. also is that
>>>> the
>>>> most stable and resource optimised way
>>>>
>>>> further: is Apache recommended
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Sanjay
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
>>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> cheers,
> Sanjay
> --
> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

> &gt; wrote:
>>
>> Can I run this way the same image which otherwise runs fine thru the
>> graphical environment
>>
>> When I run that image in graphical environment it immediately starts as
>> the
>> application server. So cwould it work from the command line tools without
>> changes.
>>
>> ...$ ...
>> ...$ nohup ./pharo
> <myPharo.imageWithCompletePath>
> In principle, yes.
>
> But I recommend to not have running servers/services in the saved image,
> but instead to save (better auto build) a new clean image with nothing
> open (close all windows), nothing running, just your code. And then use a
> startup script.
>
> Either use a run.st file which does all the work, or a class side 'MyStart
> startForProduction'.
>
> Please read the book chapter.
>
>> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
>>>> On 16 May 2020, at 09:22, Sven Van Caekenberghe &lt;
>>
>>> sven@
>>
>>> &gt; wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Everybody is free to do whatever they want, of course.
>>>>
>>>> My advice would be to not use graphical tools to deploy server
>>>> applications (unless as add ons afterwards, like a dashboard or
>>>> management app).
>>>>
>>>> Use Linux (Ubuntu is the safest choice).
>>>>
>>>> Stick with headless (no gui) command line tools.
>>>>
>>>> Pharo is very good at this.
>>>
>>> Also use 64-bit (that is 64-bit Pharo on 64-bit Linux), it will make
>>> your
>>> life much easier.
>>>
>>> Here is a short example:
>>>
>>> stfx@audio359:~$ mkdir pharo8
>>>
>>> stfx@audio359:~$ cd !$
>>> cd pharo8
>>>
>>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl get.pharo.org/64/80+vm | bash
>>>  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
>>> Current
>>>                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
>>> Speed
>>> 100  3054  100  3054    0     0  67866      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--
>>> 69409
>>> Downloading the latest 80 Image:
>>>    http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64.zip
>>> Pharo.image
>>> Downloading the latest pharoVM:
>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64-linux-stable.zip
>>> pharo-vm/pharo
>>> Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui
>>>
>>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit
>>> 'ZnServer
>>> startOn: 9090' &
>>> [1] 84125
>>> nohup: ignoring input and appending output to 'nohup.out'
>>>
>>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl http://localhost:9090/random
>>> CF4173824EF6E0D9F336E5464A5FACB8ABEFFD1A6EE7A5F9F6631186F619606
>>>
>>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ jobs
>>> [1]+  Running                 nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit
>>> 'ZnServer startOn: 9090' &
>>>
>>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ kill %1
>>> [1]+  Terminated              nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit
>>> 'ZnServer startOn: 9090'
>>>
>>> BTW, nohup is one way to keep something running after you log out
>>> (systemctl services being the pro/real way)
>>>
>>>> The following book chapter explain things reasonably well:
>>>>
>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/DeploymentWeb/DeployForProduction.html
>>>>
>>>> Nowadays, you would use Baselines and git though.
>>>>
>>>> I can give you more info if you want. Feel free to ask questions.
>>>>
>>>> Sven
>>>>
>>>>> On 16 May 2020, at 07:00, Sanjay Minni &lt;
>>
>>> sm@
>>
>>> &gt; wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Eventually in a Digitalocean Ubuntu droplet, I connected from Windows
>>>>> 10
>>>>> to
>>>>> a Ubuntu Graphical desktop, installed PharoLauncher and couple of
>>>>> images
>>>>> and
>>>>> got seaside up, installed Mongo DB and a Pharo App. pretty smooth and
>>>>> can
>>>>> share how to step by step if anybody is interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> (note: no additional software is required on Windows 10 except chrome
>>>>> -
>>>>> as
>>>>> SSH, Remote Desktop is inbuilt, Chrome only for its VNC app)
>>>>>
>>>>> Question: what is the best way to run and leave the Pharo App as a
>>>>> seaside
>>>>> server running.  
>>>>> Currently I am running thru the X Desktop and if I Disconnect / logout
>>>>> from
>>>>> the remote desktop session then the pharo app may go down. also is
>>>>> that
>>>>> the
>>>>> most stable and resource optimised way
>>>>>
>>>>> further: is Apache recommended
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> Sanjay
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> cheers,
>> Sanjay
>> --
>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

> On 17 May 2020, at 18:39, Sanjay Minni <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> @Sven,
>
> (While going thru the book ".../DeployForProduction...")
>
> seems section 1 & 2 would have to be updated ...
>
> In section 3 Build Your Image ...
> what is the script for installing dependencies from github and having a
> Baseline (instead of Configuration) as practically all packages have moved
> to Github
>
> and
> In this method it seems the image is never saved / persistent. In the event
> of a stoppage it begins ground up. Is that correct ?
>
>
> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
>>> On 16 May 2020, at 11:15, Sanjay Minni &lt;
>
>> sm@
>
>> &gt; wrote:
>>>
>>> Can I run this way the same image which otherwise runs fine thru the
>>> graphical environment
>>>
>>> When I run that image in graphical environment it immediately starts as
>>> the
>>> application server. So cwould it work from the command line tools without
>>> changes.
>>>
>>> ...$ ...
>>> ...$ nohup ./pharo
>> <myPharo.imageWithCompletePath>
>> In principle, yes.
>>
>> But I recommend to not have running servers/services in the saved image,
>> but instead to save (better auto build) a new clean image with nothing
>> open (close all windows), nothing running, just your code. And then use a
>> startup script.
>>
>> Either use a run.st file which does all the work, or a class side 'MyStart
>> startForProduction'.
>>
>> Please read the book chapter.
>>
>>> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
>>>>> On 16 May 2020, at 09:22, Sven Van Caekenberghe &lt;
>>>
>>>> sven@
>>>
>>>> &gt; wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Everybody is free to do whatever they want, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> My advice would be to not use graphical tools to deploy server
>>>>> applications (unless as add ons afterwards, like a dashboard or
>>>>> management app).
>>>>>
>>>>> Use Linux (Ubuntu is the safest choice).
>>>>>
>>>>> Stick with headless (no gui) command line tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pharo is very good at this.
>>>>
>>>> Also use 64-bit (that is 64-bit Pharo on 64-bit Linux), it will make
>>>> your
>>>> life much easier.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a short example:
>>>>
>>>> stfx@audio359:~$ mkdir pharo8
>>>>
>>>> stfx@audio359:~$ cd !$
>>>> cd pharo8
>>>>
>>>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl get.pharo.org/64/80+vm | bash
>>>> % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
>>>> Current
>>>>                                Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
>>>> Speed
>>>> 100  3054  100  3054    0     0  67866      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--
>>>> 69409
>>>> Downloading the latest 80 Image:
>>>>   http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64.zip
>>>> Pharo.image
>>>> Downloading the latest pharoVM:
>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64-linux-stable.zip
>>>> pharo-vm/pharo
>>>> Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui
>>>>
>>>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit
>>>> 'ZnServer
>>>> startOn: 9090' &
>>>> [1] 84125
>>>> nohup: ignoring input and appending output to 'nohup.out'
>>>>
>>>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl http://localhost:9090/random
>>>> CF4173824EF6E0D9F336E5464A5FACB8ABEFFD1A6EE7A5F9F6631186F619606
>>>>
>>>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ jobs
>>>> [1]+  Running                 nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit
>>>> 'ZnServer startOn: 9090' &
>>>>
>>>> stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ kill %1
>>>> [1]+  Terminated              nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit
>>>> 'ZnServer startOn: 9090'
>>>>
>>>> BTW, nohup is one way to keep something running after you log out
>>>> (systemctl services being the pro/real way)
>>>>
>>>>> The following book chapter explain things reasonably well:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/DeploymentWeb/DeployForProduction.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Nowadays, you would use Baselines and git though.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can give you more info if you want. Feel free to ask questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sven
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 May 2020, at 07:00, Sanjay Minni &lt;
>>>
>>>> sm@
>>>
>>>> &gt; wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eventually in a Digitalocean Ubuntu droplet, I connected from Windows
>>>>>> 10
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a Ubuntu Graphical desktop, installed PharoLauncher and couple of
>>>>>> images
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> got seaside up, installed Mongo DB and a Pharo App. pretty smooth and
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> share how to step by step if anybody is interested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (note: no additional software is required on Windows 10 except chrome
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> SSH, Remote Desktop is inbuilt, Chrome only for its VNC app)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Question: what is the best way to run and leave the Pharo App as a
>>>>>> seaside
>>>>>> server running.  
>>>>>> Currently I am running thru the X Desktop and if I Disconnect / logout
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the remote desktop session then the pharo app may go down. also is
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> most stable and resource optimised way
>>>>>>
>>>>>> further: is Apache recommended
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>> Sanjay
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> cheers,
>>> Sanjay
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> cheers,
> Sanjay
> --
> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html