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cbeler
Hi...

I was playing with the minimorphic image Pavel has made (very nice work :) )

I installed seaside+scriptaculous on it, seems to work great !

so if someone want to try it, I put it there...

http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st  (pier)
or
http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip (direct access)

Cédrick

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Basic seaside image based on Pavel MinimalMorphic image
(Last Kernel Images:
http://comtalk.net/public/pub/KernelImage/ImagePack20070212.zip)

    * Seaside2 (Seaside2.7a1-lr.185)
    * FileLibrary (FileLibrary-RJT.19)
    * Scriptaculous (Scriptaculous-lr.185)


<http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip>

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Re: seaside mini image

tblanchard
What version of squeak is this based on?

On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Cédrick Béler wrote:

> Hi...
>
> I was playing with the minimorphic image Pavel has made (very nice  
> work :) )
>
> I installed seaside+scriptaculous on it, seems to work great !
>
> so if someone want to try it, I put it there...
>
> http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st  (pier)
> or
> http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip (direct  
> access)
>
> Cédrick
>
> -------------------------
> Basic seaside image based on Pavel MinimalMorphic image
> (Last Kernel Images: http://comtalk.net/public/pub/KernelImage/ 
> ImagePack20070212.zip)
>
>    * Seaside2 (Seaside2.7a1-lr.185)
>    * FileLibrary (FileLibrary-RJT.19)
>    * Scriptaculous (Scriptaculous-lr.185)
>
>
> <http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip>
>
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Re: seaside mini image

Pavel Krivanek-2
It's based on Squeak 3.9. It's possible to load special version of
Seaside that runs even on image without any GUI.
For more info see: http://www.comtalk.net/Squeak/98

-- Pavel

On 2/16/07, Todd Blanchard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> What version of squeak is this based on?
>
> On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Cédrick Béler wrote:
>
> > Hi...
> >
> > I was playing with the minimorphic image Pavel has made (very nice
> > work :) )
> >
> > I installed seaside+scriptaculous on it, seems to work great !
> >
> > so if someone want to try it, I put it there...
> >
> > http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st  (pier)
> > or
> > http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip (direct
> > access)
> >
> > Cédrick
> >
> > -------------------------
> > Basic seaside image based on Pavel MinimalMorphic image
> > (Last Kernel Images: http://comtalk.net/public/pub/KernelImage/
> > ImagePack20070212.zip)
> >
> >    * Seaside2 (Seaside2.7a1-lr.185)
> >    * FileLibrary (FileLibrary-RJT.19)
> >    * Scriptaculous (Scriptaculous-lr.185)
> >
> >
> > <http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Seaside mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
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Re: seaside mini image

tblanchard
Cool.  Grabbed it.  I'll let you know how it goes.

On Feb 16, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote:

> It's based on Squeak 3.9. It's possible to load special version of
> Seaside that runs even on image without any GUI.
> For more info see: http://www.comtalk.net/Squeak/98
>
> -- Pavel
>
> On 2/16/07, Todd Blanchard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> What version of squeak is this based on?
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Cédrick Béler wrote:
>>
>> > Hi...
>> >
>> > I was playing with the minimorphic image Pavel has made (very nice
>> > work :) )
>> >
>> > I installed seaside+scriptaculous on it, seems to work great !
>> >
>> > so if someone want to try it, I put it there...
>> >
>> > http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st  (pier)
>> > or
>> > http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip (direct
>> > access)
>> >
>> > Cédrick
>> >
>> > -------------------------
>> > Basic seaside image based on Pavel MinimalMorphic image
>> > (Last Kernel Images: http://comtalk.net/public/pub/KernelImage/
>> > ImagePack20070212.zip)
>> >
>> >    * Seaside2 (Seaside2.7a1-lr.185)
>> >    * FileLibrary (FileLibrary-RJT.19)
>> >    * Scriptaculous (Scriptaculous-lr.185)
>> >
>> >
>> > <http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Seaside mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Seaside mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>>
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Re: seaside mini image

tblanchard
OK, I'm finding it a bit too minimal - I can't figure out how to set  
up preferences - I hate the scrollbars on the left, and I really need  
the row of buttons in the code browser (browse, senders, ....). I'm  
also used to having the mouse buttons swapped, and cmd-B should  
always bring up package browsers - I have way too much code to use  
the green browsers.  So I appreciate the effort, but I can't use it  
as is.  It is too primitive for development.


On Feb 16, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Todd Blanchard wrote:

> Cool.  Grabbed it.  I'll let you know how it goes.
>
> On Feb 16, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote:
>
>> It's based on Squeak 3.9. It's possible to load special version of
>> Seaside that runs even on image without any GUI.
>> For more info see: http://www.comtalk.net/Squeak/98
>>
>> -- Pavel
>>
>> On 2/16/07, Todd Blanchard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> What version of squeak is this based on?
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Cédrick Béler wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi...
>>> >
>>> > I was playing with the minimorphic image Pavel has made (very nice
>>> > work :) )
>>> >
>>> > I installed seaside+scriptaculous on it, seems to work great !
>>> >
>>> > so if someone want to try it, I put it there...
>>> >
>>> > http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st  (pier)
>>> > or
>>> > http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip (direct
>>> > access)
>>> >
>>> > Cédrick
>>> >
>>> > -------------------------
>>> > Basic seaside image based on Pavel MinimalMorphic image
>>> > (Last Kernel Images: http://comtalk.net/public/pub/KernelImage/
>>> > ImagePack20070212.zip)
>>> >
>>> >    * Seaside2 (Seaside2.7a1-lr.185)
>>> >    * FileLibrary (FileLibrary-RJT.19)
>>> >    * Scriptaculous (Scriptaculous-lr.185)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > <http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip>
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Seaside mailing list
>>> > [hidden email]
>>> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Seaside mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
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Re: seaside mini image

Michael Roberts-2
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Hi,

thanks for putting this up.  I was playing with it but I noticed some  
source missing, or at least it looked like there was some decompiled  
source.  Is this normal or does it need access to a standard .sources  
file?  I was looking in MethodContext and around there.

Thanks,

Mike

On 16 Feb 2007, at 18:11, Cédrick Béler wrote:

> Hi...
>
> I was playing with the minimorphic image Pavel has made (very nice  
> work :) )
>
> I installed seaside+scriptaculous on it, seems to work great !
>
> so if someone want to try it, I put it there...

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Re: seaside mini image

Pavel Krivanek-2
Hi Mike,

I have no decompiled methods in MethodContext class. Do you have
source file for Squeak 3.9?
But on the other hand I see that messages #freeNamesAndValues and
doItScope has no source code - that this methods were not removed
properly (bad methodDictionary). I will have to check it. Thank you.

Cheers,
-- Pavel

On 2/17/07, Michael Roberts <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thanks for putting this up.  I was playing with it but I noticed some
> source missing, or at least it looked like there was some decompiled
> source.  Is this normal or does it need access to a standard .sources
> file?  I was looking in MethodContext and around there.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> On 16 Feb 2007, at 18:11, Cédrick Béler wrote:
>
> > Hi...
> >
> > I was playing with the minimorphic image Pavel has made (very nice
> > work :) )
> >
> > I installed seaside+scriptaculous on it, seems to work great !
> >
> > so if someone want to try it, I put it there...
>
> _______________________________________________
> Seaside mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
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Re: seaside mini image

Pavel Krivanek-2
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On 2/17/07, Todd Blanchard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> OK, I'm finding it a bit too minimal - I can't figure out how to set
> up preferences

This image is designed to be minimal morphic system so it doesn't
include stuff that can be quite easily packaged - including both
preference browsers. The initialization of preferences isn't solved
well in current Squeak - at least it is not prepared for
modularization so I load it from image segments.

> - I hate the scrollbars on the left,

Some older smalltalkers hate scrollbars on the right ;-)

>and I really need
> the row of buttons in the code browser (browse, senders, ....). I'm
> also used to having the mouse buttons swapped, and cmd-B should
> always bring up package browsers - I have way too much code to use
> the green browsers.  So I appreciate the effort, but I can't use it
> as is.  It is too primitive for development.

You may try to use EToys image now. It has almost full code base of
regular Squeak 3.9 image (it doesn't include Nebraska) and and you've
got there the common settings but it's little bit smaller than 3.9
image. However the main reason is that we need more real-life
experiences and bug reports for this modularized image so it may be
good way how to contribute to Squeak development.

Cheers,
-- Pavel

> On Feb 16, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Todd Blanchard wrote:
>
> > Cool.  Grabbed it.  I'll let you know how it goes.
> >
> > On Feb 16, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote:
> >
> >> It's based on Squeak 3.9. It's possible to load special version of
> >> Seaside that runs even on image without any GUI.
> >> For more info see: http://www.comtalk.net/Squeak/98
> >>
> >> -- Pavel
> >>
> >> On 2/16/07, Todd Blanchard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> What version of squeak is this based on?
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Cédrick Béler wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Hi...
> >>> >
> >>> > I was playing with the minimorphic image Pavel has made (very nice
> >>> > work :) )
> >>> >
> >>> > I installed seaside+scriptaculous on it, seems to work great !
> >>> >
> >>> > so if someone want to try it, I put it there...
> >>> >
> >>> > http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st  (pier)
> >>> > or
> >>> > http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip (direct
> >>> > access)
> >>> >
> >>> > Cédrick
> >>> >
> >>> > -------------------------
> >>> > Basic seaside image based on Pavel MinimalMorphic image
> >>> > (Last Kernel Images: http://comtalk.net/public/pub/KernelImage/
> >>> > ImagePack20070212.zip)
> >>> >
> >>> >    * Seaside2 (Seaside2.7a1-lr.185)
> >>> >    * FileLibrary (FileLibrary-RJT.19)
> >>> >    * Scriptaculous (Scriptaculous-lr.185)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > <http://cdrick.seasidehosting.st/resources/SeasideMini.zip>
> >>> >
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > Seaside mailing list
> >>> > [hidden email]
> >>> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Seaside mailing list
> >>> [hidden email]
> >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
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scrollbars on the right [was: seaside mini image]

Klaus D. Witzel
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:32:00 +0100, Pavel Krivanek wrote:
> On 2/17/07, Todd Blanchard wrote:
...
>> - I hate the scrollbars on the left,
>
> Some older smalltalkers hate scrollbars on the right ;-)

Nooo :) I am an old smalltalker and I don't hate scrollbars on the right.  
Instead I hate the long mouse moves. Text is usually left aligned and so  
moving the scrollbar into the opposite direction is, on the average, the  
longest move. I suffered from a double crunch syndrome (two nerves  
crunched, arm and hand) only because I had to use MS$ scrollbars for some  
decades [no joke].

Only people who do texts from right to left (there are many) can hate  
scrollbars on the left :)

/Klaus

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Re: scrollbars on the right [was: seaside mini image]

tblanchard
I could maybe get used to the scrollbars - but the loss of the button bar and inability to make the package browser the default is a deal breaker.

-Todd Blanchard

On Feb 17, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:

On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:32:00 +0100, Pavel Krivanek wrote:

On 2/17/07, Todd Blanchard wrote:

...

- I hate the scrollbars on the left,


Some older smalltalkers hate scrollbars on the right ;-)


Nooo :) I am an old smalltalker and I don't hate scrollbars on the right. Instead I hate the long mouse moves.



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Re: scrollbars on the right [was: seaside mini image]

Pavel Krivanek-2
Preferences enable: #optionalButtons.
Preferences enable: #scrollBarsOnRight.
SystemBrowser askForDefault

-- Pavel

On 2/18/07, Todd Blanchard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I could maybe get used to the scrollbars - but the loss of the button bar
> and inability to make the package browser the default is a deal breaker.
>
> -Todd Blanchard
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:32:00 +0100, Pavel Krivanek wrote:
>
>
> On 2/17/07, Todd Blanchard wrote:
>
> ...
>
>
> - I hate the scrollbars on the left,
>
>
>
>
> Some older smalltalkers hate scrollbars on the right ;-)
>
>
>
>
> Nooo :) I am an old smalltalker and I don't hate scrollbars on the right.
> Instead I hate the long mouse moves.
>
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Re: seaside mini image

cbeler
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Todd Blanchard a écrit :
> OK, I'm finding it a bit too minimal - I can't figure out how to set
> up preferences - I hate the scrollbars on the left, and I really need
> the row of buttons in the code browser (browse, senders, ....). I'm
> also used to having the mouse buttons swapped, and cmd-B should always
> bring up package browsers - I have way too much code to use the green
> browsers.
actually, I choose this browser when I first open one...

if you want to change,  on the green browser, you can click on the
second upper left icon and then choose the last entry of the menu
(Choose new default browser as default), and then you'll be able to
select #PackagePaneBrowser

> So I appreciate the effort, but I can't use it as is.  It is too
> primitive for development.
maybe for development, but it may be enough for production. I choose it
with minimal morphic so as to able to change code and access the image
with vnc... (I've just done an image with vnc settled and the last
seaside, scriptaculous. I'll put it online later)

but keep in mind I'm no expert, and I might introduce problems (try
directly Pavel's images ;) or at least see his wiki
http://www.comtalk.net/Squeak/98 for a better view of his works).
Me, I'm just trying to use it... because I like when it's minimal... I
feel I can finally understand the system without being lost ;), and I
also think some people may want to have that "mini" seaside image to try
it...

I also entered the main monticello repository I use...

Cédrick

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Re: seaside mini image

Pavel Krivanek-2
the way how to enable browser buttons etc., is showed here:
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/seaside/2007-February/010786.html

-- Pavel

On 2/19/07, Cédrick Béler <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Todd Blanchard a écrit :
> > OK, I'm finding it a bit too minimal - I can't figure out how to set
> > up preferences - I hate the scrollbars on the left, and I really need
> > the row of buttons in the code browser (browse, senders, ....). I'm
> > also used to having the mouse buttons swapped, and cmd-B should always
> > bring up package browsers - I have way too much code to use the green
> > browsers.
> actually, I choose this browser when I first open one...
>
> if you want to change,  on the green browser, you can click on the
> second upper left icon and then choose the last entry of the menu
> (Choose new default browser as default), and then you'll be able to
> select #PackagePaneBrowser
>
> > So I appreciate the effort, but I can't use it as is.  It is too
> > primitive for development.
> maybe for development, but it may be enough for production. I choose it
> with minimal morphic so as to able to change code and access the image
> with vnc... (I've just done an image with vnc settled and the last
> seaside, scriptaculous. I'll put it online later)
>
> but keep in mind I'm no expert, and I might introduce problems (try
> directly Pavel's images ;) or at least see his wiki
> http://www.comtalk.net/Squeak/98 for a better view of his works).
> Me, I'm just trying to use it... because I like when it's minimal... I
> feel I can finally understand the system without being lost ;), and I
> also think some people may want to have that "mini" seaside image to try
> it...
>
> I also entered the main monticello repository I use...
>
> Cédrick
>
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Re: scrollbars on the right [was: seaside mini image]

tblanchard
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Sweet!.  OK, I can proceed. :-)  


On Feb 18, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote:

Preferences enable: #optionalButtons.

Preferences enable: #scrollBarsOnRight.

SystemBrowser askForDefault



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