Posted by
Diogenes Moreira on
Dec 07, 2010; 12:18pm
URL: https://forum.world.st/Pharo-integration-in-enterprise-feedback-tp3059564p3076251.html
Well sow sow,
Very offen, then choice makers, looking for, "security" (talking about
people, policy and technology)
. "I'm select java because PWC recommend it for this
solution'".."Cover your ass" Puaj..Puaj
In the second place the choice makers select the technologies,
defending he's budget. Not select the cheaper o better solutios..
Fight for manteing or increse, the IT budget.. "More budget..More
power.. Say the CIOs (Common Idiot Officer) .
Other fact, (at least in Argentine)the CIO don't have real weight in
the organization and denpends of Operation or Financials. I don't know
where come from the stupid idea that the IT area can be manage for a
non-tech people.. I can guess from Accountants..or Lawyers :).
In 3th place, the choice makers looking for fame. nobody was selected
as InfomationWeek's CIO of Year for select Smaltalk as Core
Technology. (The mainstream software houses are sponsor of this cain
of publications).
In last place the choice makers select the technologies for it's
capabilities and "state of art" that he has in your organization.
Actually the average programmers don't know the true OOP.
I think, Pharo goes in good way..but the finishline is a far far a way.
We must continue teaching in the universities..and why not.. The
companies.. For free.... Only for introduce the technollogy in the
market
We must support projects such Seaside, Reef, Glorp, SqueakDBX or Mars
(and it's futures version for linux and windows). This cain of
projects are the bridge from the mainstream world to smalltalk..
Rigth now, in the mind of traditonal choice maker, a solution without
a relational DB(Oracle or something like that) is only "a beatyfull
toy". are year a mean. Traditional pieces of software give
"Security".
We must make deal's with the traditional software companies.. And
don't be scare for sign a contract where the project have webservices
and java, php or .net front-end. although the solution is not
needed.(Obviously if you don't will be the architect :) )
We need make the peace with commercial people and the technology publications..
At last and over all, when any one from this group, have the chance,
one chance, to have a CIO position, take it, and make the difference.
This one, please don't think as traditional CIO, think different.
Sorry for the large mail and my english
Best.
2010/12/7, Guillermo Polito <
[hidden email]>:
> Do we have marketing people? We need someone selling smalltalk to business
> people. :P
>
> In most cases (at least here in Argentina), the technology is decided by non
> technical people (like managers or customers) because they heard something
> called java and someone recommended it to them...
>
> Sad.
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:43 PM, <
[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Em 06/12/2010 18:21, Tudor Girba <
[hidden email] > escreveu:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > I believe Smalltalk is perceived in the following way:
>> > 1. Smalltalk is cool: 0.01%
>> > 2. What is Smalltalk?: 19,99%
>> > 3. Smalltalk is dead: 80%
>>
>> I think your assessment is not that far from reality... :-(
>>
>> > It is hard to convince the 2nd category to look at something
>> > new. Why should they? But, if it's hard to convince someone of
>> > something new, you need a miracle to convince someone that something
>> > is not dead. But, I think that a miracle like this can be
>> > administrated in the form of cool and kicking creatures and then
>> > tell them that they kick because of Smalltalk :)
>>
>> I agree on the feeling, I only think we all miss a very important
>> tactical point here: in what realm is Smalltalk superior to other
>> technologies? While we cannot answer this without hesitation and
>> without half escuses on why this 'superiority' don't show itself,
>> we're stuck to feelings and trying to present cherry picked 'examples'
>> of the qualities of our pet language/technology.
>>
>> The issue some cool and kicking creatures could have been done is not
>> enough, we need also to be certain we can get newcomers and have them
>> quickly up to speed in doing so. _That_ has lead other ('younger')
>> languages to their present status.
>>
>> --
>> Cesar Rabak
>>
>>
>
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