> Frankly , I don't find web development that much useful and certainly
> don't believe that web is the future. My money is on the desktop.
>
> The very fact that the most popular web app, by far nowdays is facebook
> and the very fact that if you took facebook out today people would lose
> nothing in practicality tells so much about what web is all about. Web
> is not all bad of course, its still without any doubt the library of
> Alexandria but most of it , its just pointless way of killing your free
> time.
>
> The trend is to push web to the desktop and I think that has been proven
> a very bad idea. Web technology is based on some very bad design
> decisions and it makes me laugh when technologies like node.js take the
> web world by storm when desktop has similar technologies for far too long.
>
> If you looks carefully you will also see that Desktop is more and more
> pushing to the web, so for me it looks like web development is not going
> to have much of a chance. Many existing programming languages are
> already compiling to js, but even in that case why even bother ? IT
> makes sense for mobile devices , but what will happen if for example
> pharo and squeak start making ports for those mobile devices . Why
> bother with JS at all ?
>
> I try to make a visual coding project and I did consider amber and some
> js libraries and to my surprise the only dynamic graphic library I found
> of some serious usefulness was processing.js and its just too slow for
> what I want to achieve. And if you think about all those so called web
> technologies are really sandboxed , limited and slow desktop technologies.
>
> I still find the fact that a browser can run anywhere extremely tempting
> but in the end I dont think its really worth it. And yes I disagree with
> the video of trying to say that web is like electricity. When
> electricity came out there was nothing like it, with the web its very
> diffirent because not only desktop can do many of the things that web
> can , all web technologies are practically desktop technologies. Also
> even if you take a look at how much Desktop has progressed 10 years and
> how much the web , even though the web is super hyped those past 10
> years you will get a very clear picture of how things really are.
>
> I dont think squeak or pharo should turn their backs to the web
> technologies , js and all others (and I love the fact that projects like
> amber do exist) but I would prefer if more effort is spent on making
> sure that they work on all platforms equally good.
>
> From where I am standing there is no competitiveness in usefulness when
> it comes to JS and web technology there is just competitiveness in
> popularity and hype. And I would rather prefer if pharo and squeak dont
> play that game and continue being actually useful , innovative , easy to
> use , technologies. Web is certainly tempting but in the end its an
> empty promise.  
>
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> *From:* "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> *To:* [hidden email]
> *Sent:* Monday, 15 October 2012, 23:02
> *Subject:* [Pharo-project] A trend and an unfair comparison about js
> everywhere
>
> Hi guys,
>
> all comparisons are unfair I know but this is only to make you guy aware
> of this (please ignore if you're already).
>
> Here is the thing:
>
> The Jeff Bezos' Electricity Metaphor:
> http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_bezos_on_the_next_web_innovation.html
>
> Makes (probably) any smalltalker remember the Alan Kay's talk about
> having in the internet an IP for every object and spectacular computer
> science ideas like that.
>
> The js everywhere trend makes a lot of sense. Once it achieves critical
> mass it might tempt intel and friends to do some hardware accelerator
> for js VM's. Who knows. We have a long way to go but, in the meantime,
> all js staked frameworks make a lot of sense and WILL get traction
> because of that. Example:
>
> http://www.wakanda.org/
>
> A talk here:
> https://vimeo.com/31603156
>
> So.. the unfair question here would be:
>
> What we'll have to match that competitiveness?
>
> sebastian
>
> o/
>
> PS: Pharo + WebSockets + Amber sounds in that line doesn't?
>
>
>