> Interesting article.
>
> About cloud support, even when is not a particular feature of the
> framework nor the vm, I developed some tries to use Smalltalk in
> OpenShift (from RedHat).
>
> Now that the only Smalltalk I'm working on is Cuis, as soon as I've some
> free time my plan is (after make it work Sport and Swazoo and then Janko
> try to have Aida working in Cuis) to polish my old code and develop a
> prolix way of use Cuis in OpenShift.
>
> Persistence: I (almost) ported SandstoneDB (I agree with the original
> comment of Ramon saying that this sort of approach solves a big
> percentage of the common app needs) and shouldn't hard to integrate I think.
>
> Just my 0.02 cents.
>
>
> 2012/12/16 Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>
>     Hi guys,
>
>     It seems that JavaScript guys are slowly coming to conclusion that they
>     need something like Aida/Web :) Well, after more client-side features
>     will come to Aida too. Aida is namely not just a web framework but
>     complete application server. Here is the article:
>
>     http://panyasan.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/why-we-need-a-nodejs-application-server-or-writing-boilerplate-considered-harmful/
>
>     As you see Aida has most features from his proposal, except persistence
>     and cloud support.
>
>     Here are most interesting parts of his article:
>
>     ...
>     There is, however, one big issue that holds me back from starting to
>     work on any of those ideas: the lack of the right end-to-end stack
>     including a decent application server for NodeJS, which will free me
>     from having to worry about boilerplate code for things like
>     authentication, user management, access control, etc.
>     ...
>     I shouldn’t spend my time worrying about how to store passwords
>     securely, or how to synchronize data between the client and the server,
>     or how exactly model data is persisted in what database.
>     ...
>     I think such a platform would not only save thousands (or more) of hours
>     of developers’ time. This time could then be invested instead in solving
>     the application-specific problems in thorough and creative ways.
>     ...
>     There is a wealth of JavaScript frameworks on the client and on the
>     server side, but, as far as I can see, no such thing as an “application
>     server” known from the Java world yet exists.
>     ...
>     I see a number of features and characteristics of such an application
>     server:
>
>     - It should not assume any particular rendering model on the client
>       (DOM-templating vs. widget objects)
>     - It should also not force a different programming model on developers
>       (like Opa or Meteor), but let you code in plain old asynchronous
>       javascript...
>     - It should have an integrated API for client and server.
>     - It should provide a static HTTP server, REST routing, and
>       bidirectional, realtime messaging and broadcasting (such as
>       Socket.io).
>     - It should offer async startup/plugin/configuration system like
>       Cloud9′s Architect.
>     - It should provide an out-of-the box system and API for user & group
>       management, registration, access control, Password storage/retrieval
>       /update etc, preferrably with a set of built-in templates that can be
>       used for managing the most generic configuration tasks. With this, a
>       pluggable system to use third-party authentication providers.
>     - It should also provide an integrated system of data modeling and
>       persistence. I really do not care about database technology. I simply
>       want to store, edit and retrieve my model data.
>     - It could also have a toolset that would allow you to deploy your
>       application instantly to a cloud provider such as Heroku or Nodejitsu
>
>
>     --
>     Janko Mivšek
>     Aida/Web
>     Smalltalk Web Application Server
>     http://www.aidaweb.si
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