Posted by
Offray on
Jan 22, 2015; 10:59pm
URL: https://forum.world.st/Mea-Culpa-tp4800840p4801126.html
Hi,
On 2015-01-22 16:27, horrido wrote:
> Offray wrote
>> I think that SRP has a "flaw" of showing itself as some kind of way to
>> save Smalltalk of its unpopular destiny, not being on top 10 of TIOBE
>> or
>> being a niche platform, but for me that's not a cruel destiny and if
>> it
>> were that's not the best way to fight against it, but by building
>> stuff
>> that more people can use. Talking by making instead of talking by
>> talking. We can start with some small community and spread from there
>> (interactive documentation is my approach).
>
> This is the popular "if you build it, they will come" philosophy. It
> /may/
> work, but I seriously doubt it.
>
No. I don't believe in the build -> come assumption. Is more like
non-popular but meaninful in the context I care about by the
transformations it empowers on that context and with the potential to go
beyond that context. Think small, but interconnected.
>> So may be the best way of SRP to serve Smalltalk could be to not be so
>> "self-serving" about its own goals (popularity, jvm, javascript,
>> enterprise, TIOBE) and show the diversity of views and concerns of the
>> Smalltalk community. To be a place for diversity in Smalltalk (may be
>> a
>> curator of dispersed experiences elsewhere).
>
> I don't understand what you mean by "self-serving". The SRP does not
> serve
> itself – it serves *you*, the Smalltalk community. It's sole purpose is
> to
> promote your language, to raise it in the public consciousness, to get
> people to try it. There is no other agenda.
>
> Of course, whether or not you /want/ this attention is a different
> question.
>
I mean self-serving in the sense that is about making Smalltalk popular,
advocating for enterprise, jvm or javascript, which are goals traced by
the project itself. I don't think that they're not important (at least
for some in the community), but I think that they don't reflect the
various concerns and potentials that can help to Smalltalk as a broader
community.
Trying to listen the community __before__ tracing the goals for SRP is
my main message here. A more "etnographer" approach instead of the
"saleman" one, if I can make the analogy.
Cheers,
Offray