> Sure Ben, I could. My apologies if the paradigm of spirituality
> bothers you but it is a perfectly legitimate source of analogy AND
> interactive fiction, having just been exposed to what that is. In
> addition I am connecting this to an educational process and picture of
> some unique areas of Pharo. I don't seem to have a problem nor am I
> breaking any "rules" I am aware of unless you have dominion, agency
> and possession to be establishing such a rule at this time. If so, I
> will desist; otherwise I will continue to mine the ancient sources of
> psychology and sociology for application to the best damn little
> programming environment every other language fails to emulate.
>
> Once again, my apologies this upsets you.
>
> Sincerely,
> Robert
>
> On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote:
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual
>> level,
>> but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters,
>> (plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted
>> responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail
>> often hide)
>>
>> cheers -ben
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am not quite sure where arupa is (without form), actually. I have
>>> always
>>> thought of it as namarupa (name and form) and never before as arupa.
>>> The VM
>>> is what deals with form/rupa and binds the names/nama of the image
>>> together,
>>> through dynamic lookup, versus static lookup. Alive & dead.
>>>
>>> I've never thought about the arupa of Pharo, yet I was thinking it
>>> was the
>>> meta layers, where everything has the same amorphic form.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the analogy starts to fall apart. My apologies...I'll try for
>>> #random. :)
>>>
>>> nameste,
>>> robert
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas):
>>> 1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya),
>>> 2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita),
>>> 3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga),
>>> 4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and
>>> 5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as
>>> being death.
>>> (avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:
>>>
>>> I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I
>>> was
>>> jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the
>>> analogy
>>> of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa
>>> level is
>>> there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things
>>> that have
>>> no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:).
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> robert
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me.
>>> Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer
>>> of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am
>>> not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the
>>> very source of creation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote:
>>>
>>> On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Robert,
>>>
>>> Good day Saša,
>>>
>>> Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge
>>> sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and
>>> a good thing too.
>>>
>>> Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not
>>> understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating.
>>>
>>> I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources,
>>> concentration and
>>> effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge
>>> supplants older limited knowledge.
>>>
>>>
>>> As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint:
>>> it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;)
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and
>>> that is
>>> split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this
>>> speculation when you find #new! :-)
>>>
>>> Hare hare and Merry Christmas,
>>>
>>> Haribol and Happy New Year!
>>>
>>> Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat!
>>>
>>> ---
>>> But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating
>>> on My
>>> transcendental form—to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve
>>> what they
>>> have.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
>>> whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on
>>> the
>>> transcendent self.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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