> Hi Robert,
>
> I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual level,
> but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters,
> (plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted
> responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail
> often hide)
>
> cheers -ben
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am not quite sure where arupa is (without form), actually. I have always
>> thought of it as namarupa (name and form) and never before as arupa. The VM
>> is what deals with form/rupa and binds the names/nama of the image together,
>> through dynamic lookup, versus static lookup. Alive & dead.
>>
>> I've never thought about the arupa of Pharo, yet I was thinking it was the
>> meta layers, where everything has the same amorphic form.
>>
>> Perhaps the analogy starts to fall apart. My apologies...I'll try for
>> #random. :)
>>
>> nameste,
>> robert
>>
>>
>> --
>> There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas):
>> 1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya),
>> 2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita),
>> 3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga),
>> 4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and
>> 5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as
>> being death.
>> (avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha)
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:
>>
>> I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was
>> jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the analogy
>> of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is
>> there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that have
>> no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:).
>>
>> cheers,
>> robert
>>
>> ---
>>
>> And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me.
>> Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer
>> of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am
>> not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the
>> very source of creation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote:
>>
>> Hello Robert,
>>
>> Good day Saša,
>>
>> Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge
>> sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and
>> a good thing too.
>>
>> Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not
>> understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating.
>>
>> I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and
>> effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge
>> supplants older limited knowledge.
>>
>>
>> As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint:
>> it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;)
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is
>> split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this
>> speculation when you find #new! :-)
>>
>> Hare hare and Merry Christmas,
>>
>> Haribol and Happy New Year!
>>
>> Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat!
>>
>> ---
>> But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My
>> transcendental form—to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they
>> have.
>>
>>
>> --
>> As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
>> whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the
>> transcendent self.
>>
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