> On Jun 8, 2016, at 2:04 AM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 5:39 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Sven,
>>
>> If I understand correctly, Stef talks about the case of building tests in the debugger. There he tries an expression and then wants to capture the result of the expression as an assertion in the code so he wants to paste the result directly. It is a different scenario than the one of capturing results that we store as comments for further reference.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> The #printString of most objects is not valid Pharo syntax, it makes sense to put those into comments, so that the overall syntax of the workspace/playground is maintained and syntax highlighting can operate normally.
>
> This might be too much a corner case, but I wonder...
> If the domain object provided a sufficiently distinguishing
> printString, then a shortcut that appended the CTRL-P result....
>    printString = 'aDomainObject(''identifer’')

> A video demo of such might provide a good example of programming in an
> immersive environment.  What other environment could do this?
> cheers -ben
>
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>>>
>>> A result printed as a comment is also easy to select (by double-clicking next to the $" on the inside).
>>>
>>> All this makes sense for literal programming (assuming that is what you are after).
>>>
>>> What is the use case for not doing it like that ? Why do you want the comments gone ?
>>>
>>>> On 07 Jun 2016, at 13:03, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 5/6/16 à 23:00, Tudor Girba a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Stef,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The quotes appear only when you add the result in the playground.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No need to explain I'm not idiot and I know it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The typical use case for this is to keep track of several results.
>>>>>
>>>>> No need to explain I'm not idiot and I know it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this situation you do not want to modify the code to not affect the
>>>>>> highlighting and this is why it gets in a comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is fun because I never ever needed it. But this is probably what
>>>>> everybody else is doing that since this is the default.
>>>>> I just write simple code and tests. Indeed I'm not that smart.
>>>>>
>>>>> But your tools only embedd your scenario and let the other users forced to
>>>>> adapt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well you do not want but I do.
>>>>> I spent my evening removing quotes while writing tests.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I hate with the GTTools is that you want to teach me how I should work.
>>>>> Sorry but good tools do not do that.
>>>>> Good tools empower the users and not constraint them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I work a lot faster when I do not have to remove the wonderful comments or
>>>>> when I have to copy and paste.
>>>>> This commenting is breaking the flow of efficient people. May be GT team do
>>>>> not work write tests in the
>>>>> debugger but I do most of the time and I'm forced by the environment to
>>>>> remove quotes all over the places.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to copy the content without quotes, you can do:
>>>>>> Cmd+p -> popup
>>>>>> Cmd+c -> selects the current line and copies the text
>>>>>> Esc
>>>>>> Cmd+v
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry but I do not want.
>>>>> I just want to print and modify directly.
>>>>> 7 keystrokes vs 2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps we can add another keybinding like Shift+Enter for adding the text
>>>>>> without quotes.
>>>>
>>>> I just had a play with this, and another option might be <ctrl-enter>,
>>>> since the <ctrl> key is still selection from doing <ctrl-P> so there
>>>> is not much difference in hand movements between <enter> and
>>>> <ctrl-enter>
>>>>
>>>> cheers -ben
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And why not the inverse.
>>>>> By default printing is printing and if you want to do something else then
>>>>> you have a special binding.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Now I'm upset with this general attitude (Oh I will teach how you can be a
>>>>> nice user) that I will turn them off
>>>>> or go and hack my own settings. Still I'm amazingly sad about this state of
>>>>> affair.
>>>>> All these story about GT is hurting me because of this attitude: we are so
>>>>> smart and we thought a lot and we will teach you
>>>>> how you should work... and at the end I the end-user has to adapt.
>>>>> Look at the Spotter discussions: you looked for the graal and I was just
>>>>> telling to you that I cannot find
>>>>> simple information such as class refs!
>>>>>
>>>>> So what saddens me the most is that
>>>>>  -  you pretend to have end-user trying your tools but I have impression
>>>>> that they are not real power users
>>>>>  or this is yourself and it means that you are never exposed to other
>>>>> people.
>>>>>  I can still not use Spotter because the way I put my hand on my
>>>>> keyboard. So should change
>>>>>      - 1 my hands
>>>>>      - 2 my brain
>>>>>      - 3 my keyboard
>>>>>      - 4 do not use the tools?
>>>>>  - funnily enough if I would not have complain aggressively then it looks
>>>>> like we would have the same than before.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your flow is not mine and I go faster my way but your tools force me to get
>>>>> slow.
>>>>> I do not have the time to produce a video but I would even if it would give
>>>>> a bad press to Pharo.
>>>>> I will do a presentation in the rmod team. Because people do not watch
>>>>> themselves why acting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good tools empower the users not constraint them.
>>>>>
>>>>> GTTools feel often like an overengineer guitar that would have hampered
>>>>> Jimmy Hendrix to do crazy solos.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Doru
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 10:20 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to know if there is a setting to remove the "" when printing
>>>>>>> the result of an expression.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that playground has been thought to help me, but today I watched
>>>>>>> myself removing the comments
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> code so often that I would like to get a setting because such wrapping of
>>>>>>> results is really boring for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm spending my time removing them and I start to wonder why they are any
>>>>>>> useful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would help me to write fast tests for example in the debugger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stef
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>>>>> www.feenk.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "What we can governs what we wish."
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> www.tudorgirba.com
>> www.feenk.com
>>
>> "It's not what we do that matters most, it's how we do it."
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