> Hi Stef,
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> Thanks for the feedback. Sorry for the long email, but I you raised several issues and I thought it is worth addressing them.
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> The feature we are talking about came into being after several suggestions on this mailing list (and quite some long discussions) that had the scenario of keeping track of several executions. In the first version of the Playground it was not possible to paste directly in the playground. We did not impose anything, it was the contrary.
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>  From your email I see that you would rather prefer the variant of embedding the text as is after pressing Enter. Is this correct?
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> Here is another variant:
> - Cmd+p
> - Cmd+v ==> paste the string directly in the editor without comments
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> I think this would fit well.
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> What do you think?
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> More replies about Spotter inline.
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>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 8:09 AM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Le 5/6/16 à 23:00, Tudor Girba a écrit :
>>> Hi Stef,
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>>> The quotes appear only when you add the result in the playground.
>> No need to explain I'm not idiot and I know it.
>>> The typical use case for this is to keep track of several results.
>> No need to explain I'm not idiot and I know it.
>>> In this situation you do not want to modify the code to not affect the highlighting and this is why it gets in a comment.
>> This is fun because I never ever needed it. But this is probably what everybody else is doing that since this is the default.
>> I just write simple code and tests. Indeed I'm not that smart.
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>> But your tools only embedd your scenario and let the other users forced to adapt.
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>> Well you do not want but I do.
>> I spent my evening removing quotes while writing tests.
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>> What I hate with the GTTools is that you want to teach me how I should work. Sorry but good tools do not do that.
>> Good tools empower the users and not constraint them.
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>> I work a lot faster when I do not have to remove the wonderful comments or when I have to copy and paste.
>> This commenting is breaking the flow of efficient people. May be GT team do not work write tests in the
>> debugger but I do most of the time and I'm forced by the environment to remove quotes all over the places.
>>> If you want to copy the content without quotes, you can do:
>>> Cmd+p -> popup
>>> Cmd+c -> selects the current line and copies the text
>>> Esc
>>> Cmd+v
>> Sorry but I do not want.
>> I just want to print and modify directly.
>> 7 keystrokes vs 2
>>> Perhaps we can add another keybinding like Shift+Enter for adding the text without quotes.
>> And why not the inverse.
>> By default printing is printing and if you want to do something else then you have a special binding.
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>> Now I'm upset with this general attitude (Oh I will teach how you can be a nice user) that I will turn them off
>> or go and hack my own settings. Still I'm amazingly sad about this state of affair.
>> All these story about GT is hurting me because of this attitude: we are so smart and we thought a lot and we will teach you
> You are mistaken here. We propose solutions that are different because this is the only way to get to something new, but afterwards we iterate multiple times, sometimes even a long time after the introduction of the original feature. For example, for the problem you are mentioning with the Playground appears 1.5 years after we introduced the Playground. The fact that they these interfaces are new breaks existing reflexes and the iterations that happen after are focused mostly on trying to figure out whether this is inconvenient because is new or because it is actually suboptimal.
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> This discussion is one of those. We wanted to solve the most often appearing case in which we use Cmd+p as a way to preview quickly the result. Pasting the code in the existing playground is an edge case for Cmd+p, not the primary case. After having proposed a solution for the primary problem, people raised the issue of the temporary results and then we created the idea of Enter and have comments. This might not be your use case, but others have it.
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>> how you should work... and at the end I the end-user has to adapt.
>> Look at the Spotter discussions: you looked for the graal and I was just telling to you that I cannot find
>> simple information such as class refs!
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>> So what saddens me the most is that
>>     -  you pretend to have end-user trying your tools but I have impression that they are not real power users
>>     or this is yourself and it means that you are never exposed to other people.
>>     I can still not use Spotter because the way I put my hand on my keyboard. So should change
>>         - 1 my hands
>>         - 2 my brain
>>         - 3 my keyboard
>>         - 4 do not use the tools?
>>     - funnily enough if I would not have complain aggressively then it looks like we would have the same than before.
> This is incorrect. If you would not complain aggressively, we would simply have a smoother conversation about solutions.
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>> Your flow is not mine and I go faster my way but your tools force me to get slow.
>> I do not have the time to produce a video but I would even if it would give a bad press to Pharo.
>> I will do a presentation in the rmod team. Because people do not watch themselves why acting.
> Let’s do a remote session and I watch you do things. This week I am available this Thursday morning or Friday after 11.
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>> Good tools empower the users not constraint them.
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>> GTTools feel often like an overengineer guitar that would have hampered Jimmy Hendrix to do crazy solos.
> Could well be.
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> Doru
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>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
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>>>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 10:20 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>>> Hi
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>>>> I would like to know if there is a setting to remove the "" when printing the result of an expression.
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>>>> I know that playground has been thought to help me, but today I watched myself removing the comments
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>>>> code so often that I would like to get a setting because such wrapping of results is really boring for me.
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>>>> I'm spending my time removing them and I start to wonder why they are any useful.
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>>>> I would help me to write fast tests for example in the debugger.
>>>>
>>>> Stef
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