Posted by stepharo on Jun 13, 2016; 7:44am
URL: https://forum.world.st/Pharo-5-accented-chars-bug-regression-tp4898863p4900601.html

Hello Milan

Re: Pharo 5 accented chars bug/regression.eml

Sujet : Re: Pharo 5 accented chars bug/regression

De : Milan Vavra [hidden email]

Date : 12/6/16 21:50

Pour : [hidden email]

I have debugged the issue and figured out how to fix it. I have seen
it as an opportunity to learn Pharo debugging and I did learn a few
tricks on the way. It took me 2 full days of debugging.

Thanks for your time.
This is important because most of us are not fluent with encodings, especially me :)

It is a simple fix that works for all the Pharo versions on Windows
that have this problem. Including Pharo 6 without Nicolai's fix applied.
And it does not break any shortcuts as far as I can tell.

Super!

I was so proud of myself.

You can!
Could you sign the license agreement

    http://pharo.org/contribute

 I thought I deserved some recognition. And I
still do. It is not that someone else could not do it. I am sure that
many people would be able to do that as well. But I did take the time
to do it. And it worked. I kind of would have liked to be able to point
to it and say "I fixed that".

I know that feeling :) and this is great that you could do it.

I thought stackoverflow.com might be a good place for that. I was
wrong. Having had my stackoverflow.com post attacked by aggressive
incompetent anonymous down voters who were interested in down voting but
possess no sense of humor or knowledge of Pharo or Smalltalk I think
I understand now that stackoverflow.com is overrated. 

You are the not the first one to get such bad experience. I do not understand why people are
that stupid.

I don't think a site that actively encourages that kind of behavior deserves to benefit
from my fix in any way. I would need a whole bunch of sympathizers to
overturn the downvoting. I am not sure it is worth anybody's time.

I understand now that mailing lists have several good qualities that
stackoverflow.com does not have: posts can not disappear. People can not
anonymously make you look bad even if they are incompetent in the subject
matter.

Don't get me wrong. I'm ok with being told that I'm ugly or stupid
if I understand what it is that is disliked. 

We are not like that. Pharo is our systems and people are here to improve it.
Open a bug entry on fogbugz and people will comment positively.

    http://pharo.org/contribute

But I do not like places
where anonymous bullying is actively encouraged. Hey I even got a 'Peer
Pressure' badge for deleting my down voted post.

This is why we do not really like people having strong opinion while being anonymous.
You can have a strong feeling but not bashing for bashing.

So much for context.


I understand that Nicolai is working on a fix of his own. The preliminary
version for future Pharo 6.0 shows promise. With it, it is possible to
type all the russian characters. Even with the fix it is not possible
to type the Latin 'č' but I guess that can be fixed too.

Back to business:

Is there anyone out there using Pharo 3, 4, 5 or 6 on Windows that would
benefit now from being able to type the characters č, Č, ě or Russian Ё,
Л, М, Н, О, П in Workspace/Playground and System Browser?

It would be nice for Pharo 5. Since it will be the official version for about more than a year.

I guess I would like to know how to get this fixed with my fix and get
some visibility in the process. If there is any interest.


Milan





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