I tried to convince alex to focus on the missing pieces around roassal:

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 6:03 PM, volkert <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1

i think the development of pharo should more focus on an "easy to use and adaptive live data analysis environment" which supports data science tasks with easy to use data retrieving,  data preparation,  data exploration,  data modelling, scripting capabilities. We already have so many pieces and knowledge for this kind of platform around. I think only the cool story is missing .. And yes i know Moose, but i have the feeling this environment is not Moose. For me Moose is to much associated with software analysis ...

Volkert

Am 30.04.2017 um 17:06 schrieb Stephan Eggermont:

On 29/04/17 04:11, askoh wrote:

Being connected to the internet is going to be a necessity for any piece of
software in the immediate future. So every Smalltalk development environment
or application should have that capability as default. To push that envelop,
every image should have a Smalltalk native Internet Browser.

Web is a very bad platform from an engineering point of view. The amount of accidental complexity is astounding, as is the number of useless layers obfuscating this all. I don't think we are ready to waste the amount of engineering needed to do something useful at the browser implementation side of the web (except for things like amber, pharojs and squeakjs).

Stephan