Posted by
benoit on
Jun 11, 2017; 11:03pm
URL: https://forum.world.st/ANN-Iliad-0-9-4-is-out-tp4819833p4950938.html
Hello Steven,
I would like to have the opinion of Hernan on this subject. He's the
"official" maintainer from my point of view.
He gave me the rights to write on his repo on SmalltalkHub after I
made some patchs but to this day I have only used it to little things
and I keep all experimental work in my own project.
As it should be quite obvious I am interested in producing new
versions of Iliad. But time is a big factor, and we should take care of
having a policy to decide what to include and what not if we get very
distinct contributions...
My needs with Iliad are quite special : I use it to make mono user web
applications (think owncloud apps). So I need to let the user be able to
change lots of things without coding. I want to let the user, from his
browser do thoses things :
- moving widgets (hence my work on drag and drop support) ;
- modiying the css ;
- modiying all non-input text (think translation mecanism) ;
- sharing contents (adding urls to sub parts of the app).
Now for what I think Iliad need :
- upgrade to newer versions of jQuery => I am testing jQuery
1.12.4, some things are broken, I need to investiguate more (not nice
cause it's javascript code and not smalltalk
- release a version tagged for Pharo 5 (to get visibility) => I can
work on that ;
- a website, or at least more public code to show how to use it
(allmost all my code is public, but not really of good quality) ;
- release a version tagged for Pharo 6 => not sure when I will go
to Pharo 6 myself, so...
- switch from KomHttpServer to Zinc one => I think it will be
usefull to avoid bitrotting and to get better integration with other
pharo tools (oh, that's actually something we need to discuss : which
platform Iliad should support ? I use only Pharo) ;
- some work on the security part, I am quite sure that the way
Iliad handle sessions needs to be made more secure.
@+
Benoit
Le 07/06/17 à 00:02, Steven Costiou a écrit :
> Hi,
> as Benoit summarized our discussion at Pharo Days, the feeling is that
> Iliad is dead. There is no community. Only a few users working on their
> private projects and barely sharing anything.
>
> Nevertheless, Iliad is very simple and very efficient for building small
> web apps with no super-fancy-trendy-web-things. I love Iliad. I will
> continue to use it.
>
> My question is:
>
> - as the project is dead as is: no planned evolution, no perspectives
> - as there is no active community, so there are no constraints
>
> Could we not take it at our advantage and build our own tool that does
> what we want ? And by we, i mean, i'm speaking about what... 5 persons ?
>
> - There would not be any impact, nobody uses Iliad
> - We would have what we want or need: a useful tool and fun building it
> - If by any luck the community starts growing, which never happened in
> the first place (i'm guessing current users of Iliad are the original
> users since 2009), well we'll see if we get there but right now i do not
> really care
>
> But we'd need skills to be able to evolve Iliad, time (most challenging
> problem imo...) and ambition to know where we want to go.
>
> So in addition to Benoit's question:
>
> - who would be, hypothetically, interested by a common work on Iliad and
> producing new versions of it ?
> - what are your needs with Iliad ?
>
> I myself need to think about my needs (too late for that, it's time to
> sleep), but i think i'd like to take iliad and start doing new stuff
> with it.
>
> I have made many projects with it, not a lot survived the years. The two
> following projects (see the attached screenshots) are in production and
> this is iliad stuff i'm working on when i find the time: qbib, a tool to
> manage my research bibliography. It does not do all the powerful things
> that modern bib tools do, buuut i can do whatever i want with my data !
> I generate reports, latex files, research paper drafts, etc. The other
> project is an artistic card game for a friend who is editing a physical
> deck and do exhibitions of his art.
>
> Steven.
>
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