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Re: What's wrong with latest Pharo?

Posted by John Pfersich on Apr 02, 2019; 12:06am
URL: https://forum.world.st/What-s-wrong-with-latest-Pharo-tp5097766p5097806.html

Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is, IMHO, is royal piece of crap. Ubuntu seems to have abandoned programmers tools almost completely in 18.04. I’ve had more problems with support of programming tools in 18.04, more than even Windows. I have run ‘sudo apt install’ maybe 80 times to install tools and libraries. Ubuntu 18.04’s hardware support is also lame compared to 16.04.
Personally , I’m not surprised that Pharo doesn’t run on 18.04. I stopped installing 18.04 on my new machines, after all 16.04 still has a few years of support going for it, and at least it works without hours of upgrading.

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> On Apr 1, 2019, at 06:06, horrido <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> This issue bit me in the ass before, but I forgot. Yes, I had a senior
> moment.
>
> The issue is this: When I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at
> OVH last year, it failed. I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04.
>
> This week, I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at Google Cloud
> Platform and it failed. Again, I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04.
>
> Why does this issue keep biting me in the ass??? Because I'm 65 and my brain
> is dying.
>
> The bigger issue is this: Hosting services like Digital Ocean, OVH, and
> Google Cloud Platform are becoming increasingly important in the enterprise
> space. If Pharo can't run on these server operating systems, it's going to
> be a black eye for the language. We can get away with not supporting this
> for now, but it will eventually catch up with us.
>
> At Google Cloud Platform, for example, the user can choose from this list of
> hosts: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (Stretch), CentOS 6, CentOS 7, various versions of
> CoreOS, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
> Minimal, Ubuntu 18.10 Minimal, various versions of Red Hat, various versions
> of SUSE, various versions of Window, and so on. It's a long list. *I
> strongly suspect that many of these are unusable with Pharo.*
>
> How to address this? I don't know. But if it's not a major problem now, it
> will be. It's bitten me in the ass twice, and I can't be alone.
>
> I'm giving a fair warning to everyone. Don't lash back at me – I'm just the
> canary in the coal mine.
>
>
>
>
> Tim Mackinnon wrote
>> Come on, let’s try not to be dismissive , we’ve all had that annoying
>> moment where something doesn’t work.
>>
>> Richard, was this installed with zero conf or Launcher, and as mentioned -
>> a Linux distro is going to be helpful.
>>
>> I’m assuming it worked before at some point for you right? But was that v6
>> and now you’re trying v7?
>>
>> Tim
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>>
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>>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 23:46, john pfersich &lt;
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>> jpfersich@
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>> &gt; wrote:
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>>> What Linux (distro and version) and which version of Pharo. You couldn’t
>>> supply less information if you tried.
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>>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 14:21, Richard Kenneth Eng &lt;
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>> horrido.hobbies@
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>> &gt; wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just installed Pharo under Linux and when I start it up, I get:
>>>>
>>>> Error: External module not found
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter how I install Pharo.
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