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Re: What's wrong with latest Pharo?

Posted by Richard O'Keefe on Apr 02, 2019; 9:08pm
URL: https://forum.world.st/What-s-wrong-with-latest-Pharo-tp5097766p5097857.html

I just did a complete reinstall of Ubuntu 18.4 on this
laptop yesterday, and it did not come with any version
of curl.  uname -a =>
Linux Inspiron 4.18.0-16-generic #17~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 12 13:35:51 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux



On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 01:27, Vitor Medina Cruz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Installing curl don't work because there is a conflict between curl version name used on Ubuntu and that used by Pharo, you can't install libcurl 3 and libcru4 together. Ubuntu 18 comes with libcurl4 and older software depending on libcurl3 broke with it. I tested with minidebian and it also failed.

Richard, was you able to use Iceberg? It should only work if either Ubuntu fix this dependency problem with libcurl or Pharo started to use libcrl4.



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 5:50 AM Richard O'Keefe <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have Pharo 6.1 and Pharo 7.0 working in Ubuntu 18.04
with no trouble so far.  I just downloaded the launcher
from pharo.org and pulled the images down that way.

One thing I do find annoying in Ubuntu 18.04 is the
number of programs (like okular) that spew warning
messages out the terminal.  Pharo, sadly, is one of
them.  Whenever a debugger window comes up in Pharo
there is spewage on the terminal.  But it works.


On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 13:07, john pfersich <[hidden email]> wrote:
Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is, IMHO, is royal piece of crap. Ubuntu seems to have abandoned programmers tools almost completely in 18.04. I’ve had more problems with support of programming tools in 18.04, more than even Windows. I have run ‘sudo apt install’ maybe 80 times to install tools and libraries. Ubuntu 18.04’s hardware support is also lame compared to 16.04.
Personally , I’m not surprised that Pharo doesn’t run on 18.04. I stopped installing 18.04 on my new machines, after all 16.04 still has a few years of support going for it, and at least it works without hours of upgrading.

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> On Apr 1, 2019, at 06:06, horrido <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> This issue bit me in the ass before, but I forgot. Yes, I had a senior
> moment.
>
> The issue is this: When I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at
> OVH last year, it failed. I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04.
>
> This week, I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at Google Cloud
> Platform and it failed. Again, I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04.
>
> Why does this issue keep biting me in the ass??? Because I'm 65 and my brain
> is dying.
>
> The bigger issue is this: Hosting services like Digital Ocean, OVH, and
> Google Cloud Platform are becoming increasingly important in the enterprise
> space. If Pharo can't run on these server operating systems, it's going to
> be a black eye for the language. We can get away with not supporting this
> for now, but it will eventually catch up with us.
>
> At Google Cloud Platform, for example, the user can choose from this list of
> hosts: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (Stretch), CentOS 6, CentOS 7, various versions of
> CoreOS, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
> Minimal, Ubuntu 18.10 Minimal, various versions of Red Hat, various versions
> of SUSE, various versions of Window, and so on. It's a long list. *I
> strongly suspect that many of these are unusable with Pharo.*
>
> How to address this? I don't know. But if it's not a major problem now, it
> will be. It's bitten me in the ass twice, and I can't be alone.
>
> I'm giving a fair warning to everyone. Don't lash back at me – I'm just the
> canary in the coal mine.
>
>
>
>
> Tim Mackinnon wrote
>> Come on, let’s try not to be dismissive , we’ve all had that annoying
>> moment where something doesn’t work.
>>
>> Richard, was this installed with zero conf or Launcher, and as mentioned -
>> a Linux distro is going to be helpful.
>>
>> I’m assuming it worked before at some point for you right? But was that v6
>> and now you’re trying v7?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
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>>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 23:46, john pfersich &lt;
>
>> jpfersich@
>
>> &gt; wrote:
>>>
>>> What Linux (distro and version) and which version of Pharo. You couldn’t
>>> supply less information if you tried.
>>>
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>>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 14:21, Richard Kenneth Eng &lt;
>
>> horrido.hobbies@
>
>> &gt; wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just installed Pharo under Linux and when I start it up, I get:
>>>>
>>>> Error: External module not found
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter how I install Pharo.
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