> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:56 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> Hi,
>    The executables are not the same.
>    We have 2 different now: the Stock VM (that is downloaded by the
> launcher, and it is the default download in Zero-conf), and the
> headless VM (this is downloaded by zero-conf when using
> vmLatestHeadless).
>
>    Those platforms are not representative we currently have: OSX,
> Windows, and Linux all 64bits. We are working in ARM 32bits.
>    In the near future, I will work on validating different flavors of
> Unix, but again It depends on the roadmap, and they are not there now.
>
>    If someone requires some other platform we can talk to see how it
> can fit in the roadmap.
>
> Cheers,
> Pablo
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 10:03 AM Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes. We will be testing these days and we will come back with more details.
>>
>> Two more questions:
>> - Is minheadlessVM now integrated in the regular VM binary or are the two different artifacts?
>> - Also are the platforms from https://github.com/pharo-project/opensmalltalk-vm/tree/pharo/platforms representative for minheadlessVM?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 12, 2019, at 9:11 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Doru,
>>>   can you give us more insight of the errors? Because there should
>>> not be changes in the behavior of the VM. Maybe there are issues, we
>>> have used the Pharo tests as a guarantee and we are laking some tests.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Pablo.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 9:04 PM Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11 Aug 2019, at 13:19, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Excellent news!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should say that for GT we are currently using the minheadlessVM (Ronie’s work) out of the opensmalltalk-vm repo (https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/cog) and it works remarkably well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We started to play with your minheadlessVM. So far it looks like there are differences, although I am sure they are not large.
>>>>>
>>>>> like what?
>>>>
>>>> I do not know yet, but running GT in headless opens the window with the one from opensmalltalk-vm, but not with the new one. We did not yet look into details, but we will.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Doru
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> So, what is the difference between the minheadlessVM built by you versus the one from opensmalltalk-vm?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Doru
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2019, at 9:53 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TL;DR;
>>>>>>> ======
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the anxious, you can get real headless vm and image from zero-conf.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $ wget get.pharo.org/64/80+vmHeadlessLatest | bash
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Zero conf scripts remain unchanged for users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, if you are launching the VM by hand from the executable
>>>>>>> instead of the launcher scripts (pharo and pharo-ui) as in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $ ./pharoexecutable Pharo.image
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the image will launch in headless mode and will not open a window.
>>>>>>> To launch it in headfull, you can use the --interactive argument after
>>>>>>> the image, which will make the image open a window using SDL2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $ ./pharoexecutable Pharo.image --interactive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Long version
>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, this mail is the happy intermediate result of the work that us,
>>>>>>> the Pharo Consortium Team, has been doing in the last couple of
>>>>>>> months.
>>>>>>> Our main objective is to have a real headless implementation of Pharo
>>>>>>> where all the responsibility to open or not a World window (or other)
>>>>>>> is handled by the image.
>>>>>>> For doing so we have done a series of modifications in the image and
>>>>>>> the VM side.
>>>>>>> We consider this is the path that Pharo 8 and following versions
>>>>>>> should follow, as it will severely improve server-side and command
>>>>>>> line Pharo and in building custom desktop applications.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These modifications are available only in 64-bits machines (Windows,
>>>>>>> OSX, and Linux).
>>>>>>> ARM32 and 64bits headless is in the roadmap, but it is delayed because
>>>>>>> we have prioritized our three major platforms for this first couple of
>>>>>>> months.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All this work is based in Opensmalltalk-VM and Ronnie's initial work
>>>>>>> on headless.
>>>>>>> We are really grateful to all the contributors in the history of this
>>>>>>> nice product.
>>>>>>> To achieve a real headless VM we have brought modifications in the
>>>>>>> source tree because most of the platform code to open and manipulate
>>>>>>> windows is not required anymore.
>>>>>>> Instead, we use the SDL2 library that implements a nice layer on top
>>>>>>> of the OS and allows us to manage on the image side through FFI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So this mail is now an open call for (beta?)testing.
>>>>>>> The sources of the current VM we are building are in the headless branch in
>>>>>>> https://github.com/pharo-project/opensmalltalk-vm
>>>>>>> And we have set up a CI that is both building and testing the VM in
>>>>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/pharo-vm/job/headless/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the future we have a lot of ideas, that will wait for another long
>>>>>>> email or a beer-talk @ESUG.
>>>>>>> We want to hear your ideas!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Image-Side Improvements
>>>>>>> =======================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - The image handles the creation or not of the main world window.
>>>>>>> - We incorporated the idea of World renderer, where different backends
>>>>>>> are used to render the world.
>>>>>>> - We have 3 backends: VM support (compatibility with non-headless
>>>>>>> VMs), and OSWindow with two backends: SDL and GTK3+.
>>>>>>> - The modifications in the image are fully backward compatible with
>>>>>>> the non-headless VM and are pushed since weeks in the latest 8.0
>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>> - We move the handling of events to the image side when using SDL and
>>>>>>> GTK3+, opening the door to a richer set of events and finer-grained
>>>>>>> control over them.
>>>>>>> - SDL and GTK versions are implemented using FFI calls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VM-Side Improvements
>>>>>>> ====================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - VMMaker code migrated to Tonel thanks to Feenk and included in the
>>>>>>> repository of the VM.
>>>>>>> - Making VMMaker execute in Pharo 7 and 8.
>>>>>>> - Removing GPL code from the VM repository (GDB).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Slowly adding new tests for the JIT / Slang and VMGeneration.
>>>>>>> - Restructuring of the source code.
>>>>>>> - A new simpler CMake build.
>>>>>>> - Generate VM code from Slang on each build.
>>>>>>> - A CI process to validate (including the run of the tests in Pharo
>>>>>>> and the ones adding to the VM).
>>>>>>> - Simplification of the codebase.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Maximize the reuse of code between the platforms (preferring the
>>>>>>> standard versions over the platform-specific).
>>>>>>> - Cleaning up duplicated code.
>>>>>>> - All the plugins are now external plugins.
>>>>>>> - The VM is now a dynamic library. This is a first step towards
>>>>>>> embedding Pharo into other applications.
>>>>>>> - The main executable is a thin frontend (you can change it or
>>>>>>> implement your own).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Removing unused plugins.
>>>>>>> - Improved crash dump. Especially the crash dump works now in Windows 64bits.
>>>>>>> - Dummy implementation of Security plugin (it is going away.... eventually).
>>>>>>> - Cleanup of SSL, UUID, and Socket plugin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Cleanup of conditional code (Still to improve).
>>>>>>> - Improving the types used in the functions (we have to be neat to be
>>>>>>> multiplatform/multi-arch).
>>>>>>> - Improving the lookup of modules
>>>>>>> - Improving the logging of the VM
>>>>>>> - Improving the handling of VM arguments
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for reading so long!!
>>>>>>> We hope you enjoy the VM and please tell us all the problems you find!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pablo, Guille, and Esteban
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> feenk.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Being happy is a matter of choice."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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