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I would not put the stexupery as first vm because the squeak one should be more tested.
Stef On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable. > > Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one. > > Opinions? > > 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]> > So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each > pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command > line I used to run pharo image with this vm. > As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm > (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and > squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: testing the linux vm of pharo-project
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Any chance of a Windows VM that deals with the BitBlt problems with respect
to antialiased StrikeFonts? Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project >I would not put the stexupery as first vm because the squeak one should be >more tested. > > Stef > > On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And >> both are closure-enable. >> >> Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because >> otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default >> one. >> >> Opinions? >> >> 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]> >> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each >> pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command >> line I used to run pharo image with this vm. >> As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm >> (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and >> squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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I think that presently the motto is "first is better to have the package for your distro, then..."
Just my 0.01999... -- Cesar Rabak GNU/Linux User 52247. Get counted: http://counter.li.org/ Em 19/01/2010 12:52, laurent laffont < [hidden email] > escreveu: Some thoughts: In the Linux world it's better to have the source code first, and compiled version for convenience. For squeak-3.11 there's the source code and it's easy to build following instructions included in the README. It's clean. For exupery-vm several people have already asked for source code on this list to create packages for their favorite distrib. Furthermore the binary is named squeak, not pharo-vm or whatever.... not really cool. Lot of garbage in the archive. Exupery vm for windows is cleaner (but contains one file called Squeak.exe ;) ). Why on Mac it's squeak 4.2.2 b1, on windows/linux squeak 3.11 ? I suppose there's an influence on unit tests / performance / .... Finally I don't know why there's an "alternative" download ... I think the alternative stuff should be on the wiki, not on the basic download page. Cheers, Laurent 2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> I don't know. The ideal will be to ask Squeak people for a Squeak-3.11.3.2135 with FTPlugin compiled. In the meanwhile, I will then put exupery are original and that one as alternative. What do you think ? 2010/1/19 laurent laffont <[hidden email]> How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11 ? Laurent 2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable. Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one. Opinions? 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: testing the linux vm of pharo-project
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There are Linux users who won't touch binaries. I'm not one of them, though I do have some standards - one might say I spook easily. For something as bleeding edge as Pharo, I would not expect to get away with apt-get. Even if Pharo were installed complete with an entry in a gnome menu, I would still end up creating my own shell scripts and menu entries to load specific images with specific vms.
What I would like is source for whatever vm we recommend using. I would also like an Alien plugin, the absence of which only serves to increase my interest in the source. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:39 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project I think that presently the motto is "first is better to have the package for your distro, then..." Just my 0.01999... -- Cesar Rabak GNU/Linux User 52247. Get counted: http://counter.li.org/ Em 19/01/2010 12:52, laurent laffont < [hidden email] > escreveu: Some thoughts: In the Linux world it's better to have the source code first, and compiled version for convenience. For squeak-3.11 there's the source code and it's easy to build following instructions included in the README. It's clean. For exupery-vm several people have already asked for source code on this list to create packages for their favorite distrib. Furthermore the binary is named squeak, not pharo-vm or whatever.... not really cool. Lot of garbage in the archive. Exupery vm for windows is cleaner (but contains one file called Squeak.exe ;) ). Why on Mac it's squeak 4.2.2 b1, on windows/linux squeak 3.11 ? I suppose there's an influence on unit tests / performance / .... Finally I don't know why there's an "alternative" download ... I think the alternative stuff should be on the wiki, not on the basic download page. Cheers, Laurent 2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> I don't know. The ideal will be to ask Squeak people for a Squeak-3.11.3.2135 with FTPlugin compiled. In the meanwhile, I will then put exupery are original and that one as alternative. What do you think ? 2010/1/19 laurent laffont <[hidden email]> How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11 ? Laurent 2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable. Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one. Opinions? 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project
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In reply to this post by Stéphane Ducasse
We are using the exupery exclusively and find that it works for out
needs better than the squeak. On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: > I would not put the stexupery as first vm because the squeak one should be more tested. > > Stef > > On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable. >> >> Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one. >> >> Opinions? >> >> 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]> >> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each >> pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command >> line I used to run pharo image with this vm. >> As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm >> (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and >> squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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So what do you mean by better?
On 1/19/10, Sean Allen <[hidden email]> wrote: > We are using the exupery exclusively and find that it works for out > needs better than the squeak. > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Stéphane Ducasse > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> I would not put the stexupery as first vm because the squeak one should be >> more tested. >> >> Stef >> >> On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And >>> both are closure-enable. >>> >>> Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because >>> otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default >>> one. >>> >>> Opinions? >>> >>> 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <[hidden email]> >>> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each >>> pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command >>> line I used to run pharo image with this vm. >>> As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm >>> (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and >>> squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com =========================================================================== _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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