the idiot's guide to pier
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I'm feeling like I need one.
I've been playing around with Pier for a couple days and well... I don't feel much further along when than when I started. Basic things like... how you change the style, theme, layout whatever you want to call it are simply a mystery to me. Is there a 'these are the must know basics' guide? I went back to sometime last year in the archives, tried googling, read stuff on the wiki and off of Lukas's site but still feel utterly lost. I see there is a PRPierFrame that everything else is inside. Do I remove the children from it, rearrange them? Write my own? That is just one basic thing I'm not grasping.. Any links to getting started basics would be greatly appreciated. in the meantime, back to trying to figure this out. Thanks. Sean _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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2008/8/20 Sean Allen <[hidden email]>: > I'm feeling like I need one. > > I've been playing around with Pier for a couple days and well... I > don't feel much further along when than when I started. > Basic things like... > > how you change the style, theme, layout whatever you want to call it > are simply a mystery to me. I think your concern is only the aspect of Pier. Out of the box, it's done by a kind of template page called that can be redefined. There, once logged as Admin (admin:pier by default) I guess, you can edit this page: http://localhost:8888/seaside/pier/environment In view mode, you should have displayed: Environment Unable to fully display recursive composition. Once in edit mode, you'll see some html but only the div parts. It's actually a classic Pier page, where you can add components like heading, counter, blog archives, etc... But to structure it, you should have div's composition, so a template that coupled with CSS will give you the look you want. It's not that easy to do but think of it as a classic wiki pages with some inner html elements for layout. Mine looks like: <div class="container"> <div class="header column span-24"> <div class="search column span-5">+search+</div> <div class="title column span-10">+title+</div> <div class="column span-9 last quote" style="font-style: italic;">When *NARS>http://http://nars.wang.googlepages.com/* meets Smalltalk, *Squeak>http://www.squeak.org* and *Seaside>http://www.seaside.st*</div> <div class="column span-9 last quote" style="font-size: smaller; font-style:italic;"> \-- *a GSoC'08 Squeak project>http://code.google.com/soc/2008/squeak/about.html* \--</div> <div class="children column span-24 last">+children+</div> </div> <div class="body column span-24"> <div class="sidebar column span-5">+sidebar+</div> <div class="contents column span-17 append-1 last">+contents+</div> </div> <div class="footer column span-24" style="text-align: center">+footer+</div> </div> It's not a very good one as I should use a caption component (or disclaimer) instead of inlining it but it show you the basic picture. Id like span-9 spann-24 last, as convenience css brought by the blueprint css framework (which is default in Pier). children, contents sidebar are seaside pier default presentation component but any seaside components can be used. hth, Cédrick > > Is there a 'these are the must know basics' guide? > > I went back to sometime last year in the archives, tried googling, > read stuff on the wiki and off of Lukas's site > but still feel utterly lost. > > I see there is a PRPierFrame that everything else is inside. Do I > remove the children > from it, rearrange them? Write my own? > > That is just one basic thing I'm not grasping.. > > Any links to getting started basics would be greatly appreciated. in > the meantime, back > to trying to figure this out. > > Thanks. > Sean > > > _______________________________________________ > SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki > _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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you are not the only one :)
Stef On Aug 20, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Sean Allen wrote: > I'm feeling like I need one. > > I've been playing around with Pier for a couple days and well... I > don't feel much further along when than when I started. > Basic things like... > > how you change the style, theme, layout whatever you want to call it > are simply a mystery to me. > > Is there a 'these are the must know basics' guide? > > I went back to sometime last year in the archives, tried googling, > read stuff on the wiki and off of Lukas's site > but still feel utterly lost. > > I see there is a PRPierFrame that everything else is inside. Do I > remove the children > from it, rearrange them? Write my own? > > That is just one basic thing I'm not grasping.. > > Any links to getting started basics would be greatly appreciated. in > the meantime, back > to trying to figure this out. > > Thanks. > Sean > > > _______________________________________________ > SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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2008/8/20 stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]>:
> you are not the only one :) > > Stef > I find the difficulty of Pier is its... simplicity, uniformity... A bit like Smalltalk. All is a structure (wich is meta-described etc...). It's hard to have a user guide as Pier is more powerful than a classic CMS or wiki. We could have some but it will inevitably restricts the usage possibilities of Pier. This said, I think we could agree on some directions to bring help under the form of tutorials etc..: How-To use Pier (user) 1-wiki syntax How-To use Pier (admin) 2-admin/user right management 3-admin content mamangment (rules) 4-edit versus settings (I think this is important) 5-How to integrate seaside component (easy for a counter, more complicated when an apps that require its own session...) 6-How-to change the layout, eventually use template here but his is not "out the box". I think Keith did some work in this area but I didn't really used it How-To Develop components for Pier 7-How to interact with Structure, persistency, logs 8-How to create structure (different of a seaside component...) ... This is just what I'll find useful as documentation... but no time to help there right now. Also, I think we need to have an admin page per defaut (that will ease people management of the Pier site...) - System managements (user group system update google analytics). Maybe I can find some time in the next days to do such a page. I can evetually add a default blog page (with its own environment to display blog related component). What do you think Lukas ? This is kind of restricting, but that could be a better default setup for newcomers ? Maybe there's a need for a "Pier distribution" called... moor ;) Cheers, Cédrick _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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I'm working on moving some templates from http://andreasviklund.com/ over to pier, and I will make file libraries for them that you can add to your pier apps. I would really like to write a "idiots guide"(mind if I use that title if I ever get around to it?). I have lots of big ideas...
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:33 AM, cdrick <[hidden email]> wrote: 2008/8/20 stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]>: -- David Zmick /dz0004455\ http://dz0004455.googlepages.com http://dz0004455.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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Well, I think I can some this up as a 'wholly disheartening' thread.
I've tried using the small wiki archives but they arent exactly easy to use or find info in and then when you do find something, it can be quite old and you arent sure if the information is dated. So what is the best way to get this kind of info? Once I get it, what is best way to contribute it back so that FAQs and documentation are meaningful to people approaching Pier? I'm convinced given the direction we are taking our websites that Pier needs to be an integral part, I'm just rather depressed that I'm going to have to expend a ton of energy to figure out things like 'o the environment, go there and edit, that is how you can the layout.' I'm having mental nightmares that even though the seaside integration is perfect for us that it will be lost in what appears to be a massive learning curve. Any pier experts available for contract work, working through initial setup w/ me? Doing remote teaching of the ins and outs? _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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There isnt info, if you need help with anything specific, ask us, I ma working on documentation, because I recently had the same problem you are having, but, with the help of the community, I have gotten it figured out,, and I really like it! Just ask, answers will come :)
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Sean Allen <[hidden email]> wrote: Well, I think I can some this up as a 'wholly disheartening' thread. -- David Zmick /dz0004455\ http://dz0004455.googlepages.com http://dz0004455.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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Look at my site http://w337.uni.cc that I am working on right now, ask me how to do anything i did
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:19 AM, David Zmick <[hidden email]> wrote:
-- David Zmick /dz0004455\ http://dz0004455.googlepages.com http://dz0004455.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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Hi,
I will give a 1h tutorial next week at ESUG 2008 on how to use Pier. The presentation will be publicly available (after I finish it :)) and I will also try to also provide some complementary material. Cheers, Doru On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:29 PM, David Zmick wrote: > Look at my site http://w337.uni.cc that I am working on right now, > ask me how to do anything i did > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:19 AM, David Zmick <[hidden email]> > wrote: > There isnt info, if you need help with anything specific, ask us, I > ma working on documentation, because I recently had the same problem > you are having, but, with the help of the community, I have gotten > it figured out,, and I really like it! Just ask, answers will come :) > > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Sean Allen <[hidden email] > > wrote: > Well, I think I can some this up as a 'wholly disheartening' thread. > > I've tried using the small wiki archives but they arent exactly easy > to use or find info in > and then when you do find something, it can be quite old and you arent > sure if the information > is dated. > > So what is the best way to get this kind of info? > Once I get it, what is best way to contribute it back so that FAQs and > documentation are meaningful > to people approaching Pier? > > I'm convinced given the direction we are taking our websites that Pier > needs to be an integral > part, I'm just rather depressed that I'm going to have to expend a ton > of energy to figure out things > like 'o the environment, go there and edit, that is how you can the > layout.' I'm having mental nightmares > that even though the seaside integration is perfect for us that it > will be lost in what appears > to be a massive learning curve. Any pier experts available for > contract work, working through > initial setup w/ me? Doing remote teaching of the ins and outs? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki > > > > -- > David Zmick > /dz0004455\ > http://dz0004455.googlepages.com > http://dz0004455.blogspot.com > > > > -- > David Zmick > /dz0004455\ > http://dz0004455.googlepages.com > http://dz0004455.blogspot.com > > _______________________________________________ > SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki -- www.tudorgirba.com www.tudorgirba.com/blog "Problem solving efficiency grows with the abstractness level of problem understanding." _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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I am working on something to make pier theming easier
http://w337.uni.cc/Projects/Pier/templates On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi, -- David Zmick /dz0004455\ http://dz0004455.googlepages.com http://dz0004455.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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