tips for how to delete package in store repo

>I'm trying to delete a package in a store repository set up on PostgreSQL.
>
>I believe i have the proper user permissions etc. and can get as far as marking the package for deletion via Launcher/Store/Administration/Garbage Collection.
>However I don't seem to be able to actually delete the package.
>
>It seems like deleting a package on the repo must be straight forward so i suspect I am missing some key steps.
>
>VW 7.9.1 Mac
>
>Thx in advance for any tips.
>Ken G. Brown
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>vwnc mailing list
>[hidden email]
>http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc
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>

> Dear Ken,
>   make sure you have the 'Store-Garbage Collection' parcel loaded.  It is an undesirable feature of the UI that it does nothing silently if that package is absent, instead of informing the user.  (Older releases had this behaviour in the image by default but in the interests of safety, it was made into an explicit load a release or two back.)
>
>       (If I'm pointing out the obvious here, my apologies.)
>            Niall Ross
>
>> I'm trying to delete a package in a store repository set up on PostgreSQL.
>>
>> I believe i have the proper user permissions etc. and can get as far as marking the package for deletion via Launcher/Store/Administration/Garbage Collection.
>> However I don't seem to be able to actually delete the package.
>>
>> It seems like deleting a package on the repo must be straight forward so i suspect I am missing some key steps.
>>
>> VW 7.9.1 Mac
>>
>> Thx in advance for any tips.
>> Ken G. Brown
>> _______________________________________________
>> vwnc mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc
>>
>>
>>
>
>

>Not obvious at all.
>And the other thing that isn't obvious so far at least is where to find the Store-Garbage Collection parcel.
>I looked thru the Parcel Manager and could not find.
>
>I my image I see StoreBase/Store-Database Support/Store-Respoitory Access > Garbage Collector class but no
>Store-Garbage Collection parcel.
>
>Where do I find the needed parcel?
>
>Thx,
>Ken
>
>
>On 2013-10-21, at 12:08 PM, Niall Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Dear Ken,
>>  make sure you have the 'Store-Garbage Collection' parcel loaded.  It is an undesirable feature of the UI that it does nothing silently if that package is absent, instead of informing the user.  (Older releases had this behaviour in the image by default but in the interests of safety, it was made into an explicit load a release or two back.)
>>
>>      (If I'm pointing out the obvious here, my apologies.)
>>           Niall Ross
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I'm trying to delete a package in a store repository set up on PostgreSQL.
>>>
>>>I believe i have the proper user permissions etc. and can get as far as marking the package for deletion via Launcher/Store/Administration/Garbage Collection.
>>>However I don't seem to be able to actually delete the package.
>>>
>>>It seems like deleting a package on the repo must be straight forward so i suspect I am missing some key steps.
>>>
>>>VW 7.9.1 Mac
>>>
>>>Thx in advance for any tips.
>>>Ken G. Brown
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>vwnc mailing list
>>>[hidden email]
>>>http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>  
>

> Dear Ken,
>   my apologies - I was misremembering.
>
> > it was made into an explicit load
>
> _not_
>
> > a release or two back
>
> but in 7.10, so in 7.9.1 the class Store.GarbageCollector should be in your image and you will not have any 'Store-Garbage Collection' parcel.
>
> OK, second attempt to help.
>
> If you have fully specified the GCing of a package version and that GC does not happen, you should see an error of some kind raised - either a warning that the user does not have image permissions or a database permissions error or whatever.
>
> IIUC your email, you are seeing a silent failure.  If that is right then (again, apologies if I am pointing out the obvious), have you done 'Select for Removal' and seen the version put in the lower pane, but not done 'Apply changes'.  After you 'Apply Changes', the version gets the blessing level 'Marked for Deletion' (easy to check in standard Store browser).  Until you do that, nothing will happen.
>
>            HTH
>               Niall Ross
>
>> Not obvious at all.
>> And the other thing that isn't obvious so far at least is where to find the Store-Garbage Collection parcel.
>> I looked thru the Parcel Manager and could not find.
>>
>> I my image I see StoreBase/Store-Database Support/Store-Respoitory Access > Garbage Collector class but no Store-Garbage Collection parcel.
>>
>> Where do I find the needed parcel?
>>
>> Thx,
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> On 2013-10-21, at 12:08 PM, Niall Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Dear Ken,
>>> make sure you have the 'Store-Garbage Collection' parcel loaded.  It is an undesirable feature of the UI that it does nothing silently if that package is absent, instead of informing the user.  (Older releases had this behaviour in the image by default but in the interests of safety, it was made into an explicit load a release or two back.)
>>>
>>>     (If I'm pointing out the obvious here, my apologies.)
>>>          Niall Ross
>>>
>>>  
>>>> I'm trying to delete a package in a store repository set up on PostgreSQL.
>>>>
>>>> I believe i have the proper user permissions etc. and can get as far as marking the package for deletion via Launcher/Store/Administration/Garbage Collection.
>>>> However I don't seem to be able to actually delete the package.
>>>>
>>>> It seems like deleting a package on the repo must be straight forward so i suspect I am missing some key steps.
>>>>
>>>> VW 7.9.1 Mac
>>>>
>>>> Thx in advance for any tips.
>>>> Ken G. Brown
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> vwnc mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>  
>>
>>
>>
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>

>I've managed to get the parcel to be blessed 'marked for deletion' in the bottom pane of the 'Mark Repository Packages and Bundles for Removal' window by doing Apply.
>
>When I click the 'Start Garbage Collection' button, after some time I see the following in the Transcript:
>Garbage collection started:   21 October, 2013 3:24:09 PM
>Examining...
> Bundles: 0
> Packages 1
> NameSpaces: 22
> Classes: 998
> Methods: 33772
> Shared Variables: 378
>
>Then apparently nothing else happens.
>
>Do I have to set filters to match the parcel somehow so that only the desired parcel shows in the top pane? If I do that, with name like and version like, I still see the parcel marked for deletion in the bottom pane and nothing in the top pane.
>
>When I look back into the repo after a good amount of time and refresh, the parcel is still there.
>  
>

>Ken
>
>On 2013-10-21, at 1:00 PM, Niall Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Dear Ken,
>>  my apologies - I was misremembering.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>it was made into an explicit load
>>>      
>>>
>>_not_
>>
>>    
>>
>>>a release or two back
>>>      
>>>
>>but in 7.10, so in 7.9.1 the class Store.GarbageCollector should be in your image and you will not have any 'Store-Garbage Collection' parcel.
>>
>>OK, second attempt to help.
>>
>>If you have fully specified the GCing of a package version and that GC does not happen, you should see an error of some kind raised - either a warning that the user does not have image permissions or a database permissions error or whatever.
>>
>>IIUC your email, you are seeing a silent failure.  If that is right then (again, apologies if I am pointing out the obvious), have you done 'Select for Removal' and seen the version put in the lower pane, but not done 'Apply changes'.  After you 'Apply Changes', the version gets the blessing level 'Marked for Deletion' (easy to check in standard Store browser).  Until you do that, nothing will happen.
>>
>>           HTH
>>              Niall Ross
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Not obvious at all.
>>>And the other thing that isn't obvious so far at least is where to find the Store-Garbage Collection parcel.
>>>I looked thru the Parcel Manager and could not find.
>>>
>>>I my image I see StoreBase/Store-Database Support/Store-Respoitory Access > Garbage Collector class but no Store-Garbage Collection parcel.
>>>
>>>Where do I find the needed parcel?
>>>
>>>Thx,
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>On 2013-10-21, at 12:08 PM, Niall Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Dear Ken,
>>>>make sure you have the 'Store-Garbage Collection' parcel loaded.  It is an undesirable feature of the UI that it does nothing silently if that package is absent, instead of informing the user.  (Older releases had this behaviour in the image by default but in the interests of safety, it was made into an explicit load a release or two back.)
>>>>
>>>>    (If I'm pointing out the obvious here, my apologies.)
>>>>         Niall Ross
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>I'm trying to delete a package in a store repository set up on PostgreSQL.
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe i have the proper user permissions etc. and can get as far as marking the package for deletion via Launcher/Store/Administration/Garbage Collection.
>>>>>However I don't seem to be able to actually delete the package.
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems like deleting a package on the repo must be straight forward so i suspect I am missing some key steps.
>>>>>
>>>>>VW 7.9.1 Mac
>>>>>
>>>>>Thx in advance for any tips.
>>>>>Ken G. Brown
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>vwnc mailing list
>>>>>[hidden email]
>>>>>http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Dear Ken,
>
>> I've managed to get the parcel to be blessed 'marked for deletion' in the bottom pane of the 'Mark Repository Packages and Bundles for Removal' window by doing Apply.
>>
>> When I click the 'Start Garbage Collection' button, after some time I see the following in the Transcript:
>> Garbage collection started:   21 October, 2013 3:24:09 PM
>> Examining...
>> Bundles: 0
>> Packages 1
>> NameSpaces: 22
>> Classes: 998
>> Methods: 33772
>> Shared Variables: 378
>>
>> Then apparently nothing else happens.
>>
>> Do I have to set filters to match the parcel somehow so that only the desired parcel shows in the top pane? If I do that, with name like and version like, I still see the parcel marked for deletion in the bottom pane and nothing in the top pane.
>>
>> When I look back into the repo after a good amount of time and refresh, the parcel is still there.
>>
> What you see indicates that GC of the package has started.  Garbage collection in Store can take time - there can be a good deal of verifying of fan-out from the package's contents, reparenting/childing - or just checking that none is needed.  Just let the GCing image run.
>
> I routinely schedule any Store GC activities I have to do - albeit of more than one package, usually - for weekends/overnight/other periods where just letting the image run is not an issue.
>
> One may argue that the tool could use more feedback showing its progress.
>
>            HTH
>                  Niall Ross
>
>> Ken
>>
>> On 2013-10-21, at 1:00 PM, Niall Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Dear Ken,
>>> my apologies - I was misremembering.
>>>
>>>  
>>>> it was made into an explicit load
>>>>    
>>> _not_
>>>
>>>  
>>>> a release or two back
>>>>    
>>> but in 7.10, so in 7.9.1 the class Store.GarbageCollector should be in your image and you will not have any 'Store-Garbage Collection' parcel.
>>>
>>> OK, second attempt to help.
>>>
>>> If you have fully specified the GCing of a package version and that GC does not happen, you should see an error of some kind raised - either a warning that the user does not have image permissions or a database permissions error or whatever.
>>>
>>> IIUC your email, you are seeing a silent failure.  If that is right then (again, apologies if I am pointing out the obvious), have you done 'Select for Removal' and seen the version put in the lower pane, but not done 'Apply changes'.  After you 'Apply Changes', the version gets the blessing level 'Marked for Deletion' (easy to check in standard Store browser).  Until you do that, nothing will happen.
>>>
>>>          HTH
>>>             Niall Ross
>>>
>>>  
>>>> Not obvious at all.
>>>> And the other thing that isn't obvious so far at least is where to find the Store-Garbage Collection parcel.
>>>> I looked thru the Parcel Manager and could not find.
>>>>
>>>> I my image I see StoreBase/Store-Database Support/Store-Respoitory Access > Garbage Collector class but no Store-Garbage Collection parcel.
>>>>
>>>> Where do I find the needed parcel?
>>>>
>>>> Thx,
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-10-21, at 12:08 PM, Niall Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>>> Dear Ken,
>>>>> make sure you have the 'Store-Garbage Collection' parcel loaded.  It is an undesirable feature of the UI that it does nothing silently if that package is absent, instead of informing the user.  (Older releases had this behaviour in the image by default but in the interests of safety, it was made into an explicit load a release or two back.)
>>>>>
>>>>>   (If I'm pointing out the obvious here, my apologies.)
>>>>>        Niall Ross
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>> I'm trying to delete a package in a store repository set up on PostgreSQL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe i have the proper user permissions etc. and can get as far as marking the package for deletion via Launcher/Store/Administration/Garbage Collection.
>>>>>> However I don't seem to be able to actually delete the package.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems like deleting a package on the repo must be straight forward so i suspect I am missing some key steps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VW 7.9.1 Mac
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thx in advance for any tips.
>>>>>> Ken G. Brown
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> vwnc mailing list
>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>        
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>Can I look to see that something is still happening somehow, like in Process Monitor?
>I see: Store.MarkPundlesForDeletionTool>>startgarbageCollector but it is mostly blocked but I guess it runs sometimes. How will I know when it has completed?
>
>Yes, please, much more/better feedback.
>
>Thx,
>Ken
>
>On 2013-10-21, at 2:06 PM, Niall Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Dear Ken,
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I've managed to get the parcel to be blessed 'marked for deletion' in the bottom pane of the 'Mark Repository Packages and Bundles for Removal' window by doing Apply.
>>>
>>>When I click the 'Start Garbage Collection' button, after some time I see the following in the Transcript:
>>>Garbage collection started:   21 October, 2013 3:24:09 PM
>>>Examining...
>>> Bundles: 0
>>> Packages 1
>>> NameSpaces: 22
>>> Classes: 998
>>> Methods: 33772
>>> Shared Variables: 378
>>>
>>>Then apparently nothing else happens.
>>>
>>>Do I have to set filters to match the parcel somehow so that only the desired parcel shows in the top pane? If I do that, with name like and version like, I still see the parcel marked for deletion in the bottom pane and nothing in the top pane.
>>>
>>>When I look back into the repo after a good amount of time and refresh, the parcel is still there.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>What you see indicates that GC of the package has started.  Garbage collection in Store can take time - there can be a good deal of verifying of fan-out from the package's contents, reparenting/childing - or just checking that none is needed.  Just let the GCing image run.
>>
>>I routinely schedule any Store GC activities I have to do - albeit of more than one package, usually - for weekends/overnight/other periods where just letting the image run is not an issue.
>>
>>One may argue that the tool could use more feedback showing its progress.
>>
>>           HTH
>>                 Niall Ross
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>On 2013-10-21, at 1:00 PM, Niall Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Dear Ken,
>>>>my apologies - I was misremembering.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>it was made into an explicit load
>>>>>    
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>_not_
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>a release or two back
>>>>>    
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>but in 7.10, so in 7.9.1 the class Store.GarbageCollector should be in your image and you will not have any 'Store-Garbage Collection' parcel.
>>>>
>>>>OK, second attempt to help.
>>>>
>>>>If you have fully specified the GCing of a package version and that GC does not happen, you should see an error of some kind raised - either a warning that the user does not have image permissions or a database permissions error or whatever.
>>>>
>>>>IIUC your email, you are seeing a silent failure.  If that is right then (again, apologies if I am pointing out the obvious), have you done 'Select for Removal' and seen the version put in the lower pane, but not done 'Apply changes'.  After you 'Apply Changes', the version gets the blessing level 'Marked for Deletion' (easy to check in standard Store browser).  Until you do that, nothing will happen.
>>>>
>>>>         HTH
>>>>            Niall Ross
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Not obvious at all.
>>>>>And the other thing that isn't obvious so far at least is where to find the Store-Garbage Collection parcel.
>>>>>I looked thru the Parcel Manager and could not find.
>>>>>
>>>>>I my image I see StoreBase/Store-Database Support/Store-Respoitory Access > Garbage Collector class but no Store-Garbage Collection parcel.
>>>>>
>>>>>Where do I find the needed parcel?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thx,
>>>>>Ken
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 2013-10-21, at 12:08 PM, Niall Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear Ken,
>>>>>>make sure you have the 'Store-Garbage Collection' parcel loaded.  It is an undesirable feature of the UI that it does nothing silently if that package is absent, instead of informing the user.  (Older releases had this behaviour in the image by default but in the interests of safety, it was made into an explicit load a release or two back.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  (If I'm pointing out the obvious here, my apologies.)
>>>>>>       Niall Ross
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm trying to delete a package in a store repository set up on PostgreSQL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I believe i have the proper user permissions etc. and can get as far as marking the package for deletion via Launcher/Store/Administration/Garbage Collection.
>>>>>>>However I don't seem to be able to actually delete the package.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It seems like deleting a package on the repo must be straight forward so i suspect I am missing some key steps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>VW 7.9.1 Mac
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thx in advance for any tips.
>>>>>>>Ken G. Brown
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>vwnc mailing list
>>>>>>>[hidden email]
>>>>>>>http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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