[update] #10263

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--> update warning message:

self inform: 'Updates after #10263 are for closure-enable Pharo. You  
need a 4.0 VM and continue updating from the #10262 closure image.  
Updating non-closure images will not work. Visit https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 
  for downloading the closure image'.!




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Please also inform with a link to non-mac closure VM (or put some on
inria forge).

Cheers

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Nicolas Cellier
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> Please also inform with a link to non-mac closure VM (or put some on
> inria forge).

Everything is linked in the download page:

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2

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Thanks Damien,
that's certainly clear for U, not for me.
Is it the same that main Pharo page http://www.pharo-project.org/download ?
How do I know if http://www.pharo-project.org/download provides
closure ready VM ?
Why is there a mac VM on https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299
and only a mac VM ?
Sorry, all this looks messy to me (i'm not in Pharo bath for about 4 month).

I see things like a newb:
1) Marcus information tells I need a closure VM but direct me to a
page without unix VM.
2) main pharo download page does not tell whether VM are closure ready or not
3) I'm stuck... (pretend I don't want to scan mailing list archive to
find your usefull link)

That's why I ask information to be gathered in a single place.
1) complete Marcus warning message
2) update http://www.pharo-project.org/download

Nicolas

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Nicola, you are right, its a mess! ;)

We have three places: the web page, the wiki and the GForge. A piece  
of information or a file should be at one and only one location.

- GForge is only for file downloads. All files should be linked  
directly from the wiki or web page (because its GUI is so terrible)
- the wiki is for Pharo *developers*
- the web page is for *end users*

Hence, the links to the VMs have to live on http://www.pharo-project.org/download 
  and http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads should only link  
to the former page and have no other content.

I'll try to clean this up soon.

Adrian

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hence, the links to the VMs have to live on http://www.pharo-project.org/download
>  and http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads should only link
> to the former page and have no other content.
>
> I'll try to clean this up soon.

The problem with this approach is that most people can't modify
pharo-project.org. I update the wiki on code.google.com twice a month
at least.

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We cannot open access to the web page for everybody. What we need is a  
small group of people that is responsible for the web site contents.  
So if you like to help I'm happy to send you a login. But forking the  
content on the wiki is no option.

Cheers,
Adrian

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> So if you like to help I'm happy to send you a login. But forking the
> content on the wiki is no option.

I agree, please give me a login and I will move the content.

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Nicolas Cellier
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> update http://www.pharo-project.org/download

What do you think now?

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Thank, it is far better yet.

Maybe to make it a bit less cryptic:

"all VMs have closure support required for latest images"

... a hard work maintaining up to date site for a project moving so fast...

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Nicolas Cellier
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> Maybe to make it a bit less cryptic:
>
> "all VMs have closure support required for latest images"

done

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At quick glance (sorry if I missed the obvious), I am glad to see us promoting Pharo-dev and providing alernate access to the core.  Pharo-web is obscured???  If we plan treat that as Pharo-dev and then "run this script" that seems to work last I did it, then that's fine too.  If Pharo-web is still to be featured, it deserves a place on the page too.

Bill


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On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]> wrote:
> update http://www.pharo-project.org/download

What do you think now?

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> self inform: 'Updates after #10263 are for closure-enable Pharo. You  
> need a 4.0 VM and continue updating from the #10262 closure image.  
> Updating non-closure images will not work. Visit https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 
>   for downloading the closure image'.!

Sorry, I'm a come-lately to this.  How to I get to (and past) 10263?

I downloaded Pharo0.1Core-10262cl from INRIA, but on the 4.0 vm I get 17
failures and 51 errors with all-tests.

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for the moment 10263 is the last update :)
for the tests I imagine that they are normal.
but we need help to improve the tests and for example avoid to have  
test popping up menu.

stef

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On 02.04.2009, at 10:49, Nicolas Cellier wrote:

I now changed it to:

Updates after #10263 are for closure-enable Pharo. You need a current  
VM and continue updating from the #10262 closure image. Updating non-
closure images will not work. Visit https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 
  for downloading the closure image, and http://pharo-project.org/download 
  for the VM.

I suggest we don't lose too much time with this... this is not a  
message for end-users, nor for developers, as everyone will load an  
image soon that is already
updated...

        Marcus



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On Apr 3, 2009, at 00:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

> for the moment 10263 is the last update :)
> for the tests I imagine that they are normal.

Hm, seems not normal...

without closures (10263): 2929 run, 2909 passes, 2 expected failures,  
12 failures, 6 errors, 0 unexpected passes
with closures (10262cl): 2970 run, 2900 passes, 2 expected failures,  
17 failures, 51 errors, 0 unexpected passes

Not sure though, if the 10262cl image I downloaded from GForge already  
has the fixes in http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=685 ?  
(sorry, was a bit offline from Pharo the last week).

A couple of errors exist simply because BlockClosure is expected to  
understand messages from BlockContext. Fixing the few obvious ones (I  
atteched a cs to isse #685) brings me down to:

2970 run, 2923 passes, 2 expected failures, 20 failures, 25 errors, 0  
unexpected passes

But still, not normal.

A few couple other errors are from BlockContextTest. Shall this one be  
removed or are these tests still valuable if we adapt them?

Another question: did somebody check the methods that the closure  
changeset modified for conflicts with fixes that we applied in Pharo?  
I mean, if the closures implementation touched one of these methods,  
our changes/fixes would be gone.

Cheers,
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On Apr 3, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:

No. None of them are in the release.
Somehow since this is difficult to know exactly.


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