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[update] #10507

Adrian Lienhard
10507
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Issue 945: Annoying bug: UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #mimeTypes
Issue 1769: TestRunner author while running tests
Issue 1772: testSymbolTableM6812 is failing
Issue 1815: Monticello prints class definitions to the transcript while loading
Issue 1841: Make the System -> Software update a preference for 1.0
Issue 1861: Use old network (note: to take effect you need to restart the image)
Issue 1771: testFinalizationOfEquals sometimes fails and sometimes doesn't

With this update, all pending 1.0 issues have been resolved and tests are green.

If no new issues pop up soon, we are going to declare this version as RC2.

Cheers,
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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Lukas Renggli
Great updated. I will build my images with this version from tonight on :-)

Lukas

2010/1/21 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:

> 10507
> -----
>
> Issue 945:      Annoying bug: UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #mimeTypes
> Issue 1769:     TestRunner author while running tests
> Issue 1772:     testSymbolTableM6812 is failing
> Issue 1815:     Monticello prints class definitions to the transcript while loading
> Issue 1841:     Make the System -> Software update a preference for 1.0
> Issue 1861:     Use old network (note: to take effect you need to restart the image)
> Issue 1771:     testFinalizationOfEquals sometimes fails and sometimes doesn't
>
> With this update, all pending 1.0 issues have been resolved and tests are green.
>
> If no new issues pop up soon, we are going to declare this version as RC2.
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Mariano Martinez Peck


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
Great updated. I will build my images with this version from tonight on :-)


Excellent. Tomorrow I build the PharoDev RC2 :)
 
Lukas

2010/1/21 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
> 10507
> -----
>
> Issue 945:      Annoying bug: UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #mimeTypes
> Issue 1769:     TestRunner author while running tests
> Issue 1772:     testSymbolTableM6812 is failing
> Issue 1815:     Monticello prints class definitions to the transcript while loading
> Issue 1841:     Make the System -> Software update a preference for 1.0
> Issue 1861:     Use old network (note: to take effect you need to restart the image)
> Issue 1771:     testFinalizationOfEquals sometimes fails and sometimes doesn't
>
> With this update, all pending 1.0 issues have been resolved and tests are green.
>
> If no new issues pop up soon, we are going to declare this version as RC2.
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Mariano Martinez Peck
Adrian: I cannot update as I have the error "Can't find EOCD position"

Can you upload the image to gforge?

thanks

Mariano

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
Great updated. I will build my images with this version from tonight on :-)


Excellent. Tomorrow I build the PharoDev RC2 :)
 
Lukas

2010/1/21 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
> 10507
> -----
>
> Issue 945:      Annoying bug: UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #mimeTypes
> Issue 1769:     TestRunner author while running tests
> Issue 1772:     testSymbolTableM6812 is failing
> Issue 1815:     Monticello prints class definitions to the transcript while loading
> Issue 1841:     Make the System -> Software update a preference for 1.0
> Issue 1861:     Use old network (note: to take effect you need to restart the image)
> Issue 1771:     testFinalizationOfEquals sometimes fails and sometimes doesn't
>
> With this update, all pending 1.0 issues have been resolved and tests are green.
>
> If no new issues pop up soon, we are going to declare this version as RC2.
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
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>
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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Marcus Denker-4

On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

> Adrian: I cannot update as I have the error "Can't find EOCD position"
>
> Can you upload the image to gforge?
>
>

I am uploading one now (as rc1, rc2 will have the cleanup scripts run and versionumber changed)

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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Mariano Martinez Peck
Thanks Marcus. Now it seems to work. The problem was that Squeaksource was down :)

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

> Adrian: I cannot update as I have the error "Can't find EOCD position"
>
> Can you upload the image to gforge?
>
>

I am uploading one now (as rc1, rc2 will have the cleanup scripts run and versionumber changed)

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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

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cool!

Stef

On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:31 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:

> 10507
> -----
>
> Issue 945: Annoying bug: UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #mimeTypes
> Issue 1769: TestRunner author while running tests
> Issue 1772: testSymbolTableM6812 is failing
> Issue 1815: Monticello prints class definitions to the transcript while loading
> Issue 1841: Make the System -> Software update a preference for 1.0
> Issue 1861: Use old network (note: to take effect you need to restart the image)
> Issue 1771: testFinalizationOfEquals sometimes fails and sometimes doesn't
>
> With this update, all pending 1.0 issues have been resolved and tests are green.
>
> If no new issues pop up soon, we are going to declare this version as RC2.
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
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>
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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Mariano Martinez Peck
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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
10507
-----

Issue 945:      Annoying bug: UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #mimeTypes
Issue 1769:     TestRunner author while running tests
Issue 1772:     testSymbolTableM6812 is failing
Issue 1815:     Monticello prints class definitions to the transcript while loading
Issue 1841:     Make the System -> Software update a preference for 1.0
Issue 1861:     Use old network (note: to take effect you need to restart the image)
Issue 1771:     testFinalizationOfEquals sometimes fails and sometimes doesn't

With this update, all pending 1.0 issues have been resolved and tests are green.

If no new issues pop up soon, we are going to declare this version as RC2.


Adrian: shouldn't we update http://www.pharo-project.org/home   because it says "Current status: 1.0 RC1"

 

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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Marcus Denker-4

On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
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>
> Adrian: shouldn't we update http://www.pharo-project.org/home   because it says "Current status: 1.0 RC1"
>
yes, and we need to link it on the download page... there are quite some downloads per day.

I will do that.

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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Mariano Martinez Peck


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>
>
> Adrian: shouldn't we update http://www.pharo-project.org/home   because it says "Current status: 1.0 RC1"
>
yes, and we need to link it on the download page... there are quite some downloads per day.


Please, do it only for the core. For the dev image I want to wait a couple of days to see everything is more or less ok. Although I think the image is pretty stable (which was my most important and even unique objective) as the reported "issues" were not important and really only one issue which is present since a lot of time..

Cheers

Mariano
 
I will do that.

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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Marcus Denker-4
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:52 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:

>
> On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>
>>
>> Adrian: shouldn't we update http://www.pharo-project.org/home   because it says "Current status: 1.0 RC1"
>>
> yes, and we need to link it on the download page... there are quite some downloads per day.
>
> I will do that.


Done:

        http://www.pharo-project.org/home
        http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download

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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Marcus Denker-4
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> >
> >
> > Adrian: shouldn't we update http://www.pharo-project.org/home   because it says "Current status: 1.0 RC1"
> >
> yes, and we need to link it on the download page... there are quite some downloads per day.
>
>
> Please, do it only for the core. For the dev image I want to wait a couple of days to see everything is more or less ok. Although I think the image is pretty stable (which was my most important and even unique objective) as the reported "issues" were not important and really only one issue which is present since a lot of time..


But what is the use of having people download the image before? The image linked was

        http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1.zip

356 downloads.

Now it is
        http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25397/Pharo1.0-10508-rc2dev10.01.2.zip

with just 51 downloads.

The core image is not linked from the downloads page.


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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Mariano Martinez Peck


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> >
> >
> > Adrian: shouldn't we update http://www.pharo-project.org/home   because it says "Current status: 1.0 RC1"
> >
> yes, and we need to link it on the download page... there are quite some downloads per day.
>
>
> Please, do it only for the core. For the dev image I want to wait a couple of days to see everything is more or less ok. Although I think the image is pretty stable (which was my most important and even unique objective) as the reported "issues" were not important and really only one issue which is present since a lot of time..


But what is the use of having people download the image before? The image linked was


My idea was to build a Dev image only for BetaTesters. Those people who can help us to test and don't care if the image blows up in their face. Because it was easier, I upload that image in gforge and send the email to the list. However, my idea was to do the real ANN (to the rest of the people) and link in download section (so that final users can download it) once the image was already tested and without big problems.

What do you think ? 


 
       http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1.zip

356 downloads.

Now it is
       http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25397/Pharo1.0-10508-rc2dev10.01.2.zip

with just 51 downloads.

The core image is not linked from the downloads page.


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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Marcus Denker-4

On Jan 24, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
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>
> My idea was to build a Dev image only for BetaTesters. Those people who can help us to test and don't care if the image blows up in their face. Because it was easier, I upload that image in gforge and send the email to the list. However, my idea was to do the real ANN (to the rest of the people) and link in download section (so that final users can download it) once the image was already tested and without big problems.
>
> What do you think ?  

I think this makes no sense... :-)

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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Marcus Denker-4

On Jan 24, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:

>
> On Jan 24, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>
>>
>> My idea was to build a Dev image only for BetaTesters. Those people who can help us to test and don't care if the image blows up in their face. Because it was easier, I upload that image in gforge and send the email to the list. However, my idea was to do the real ANN (to the rest of the people) and link in download section (so that final users can download it) once the image was already tested and without big problems.
>>
>> What do you think ?  
>
> I think this makes no sense... :-)
>

So to explain: waiting two days until making the link on the download page: ok. We did that. Not announcing it yet. Ok,
we will announce when it's clear it's stable. But having people download an old image without the bug-fixes by default?
No.

We are already in Beta. Clearly marked. There is no need for a private, more secret special beta.

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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Mariano Martinez Peck


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Jan 24, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:

>
> On Jan 24, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>
>>
>> My idea was to build a Dev image only for BetaTesters. Those people who can help us to test and don't care if the image blows up in their face. Because it was easier, I upload that image in gforge and send the email to the list. However, my idea was to do the real ANN (to the rest of the people) and link in download section (so that final users can download it) once the image was already tested and without big problems.
>>
>> What do you think ?
>
> I think this makes no sense... :-)
>

So to explain: waiting two days until making the link on the download page: ok. We did that. Not announcing it yet. Ok,
we will announce when it's clear it's stable. But having people download an old image without the bug-fixes by default?
No.

We are already in Beta. Clearly marked. There is no need for a private, more secret special beta.


Ok. But those two days were in weekend :) 

But ok, maybe you are right.

 
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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

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> So to explain: waiting two days until making the link on the download page: ok. We did that. Not announcing it yet. Ok,
> we will announce when it's clear it's stable. But having people download an old image without the bug-fixes by default?
> No.
>
> We are already in Beta. Clearly marked. There is no need for a private, more secret special beta.
What is a Release Candidate meant for?

Well, I think, it is meant to be downloaded and tested.
After all, it is a RC, if it blows up in your face, then it is something you will report.

At least that is the way it is done in the world of PHP.

Several iterations, going from beta (for early adopters only, people living on the edge), to RCs with several iterations, where basically every one out there with a large code base is asked to test it extensively to get to a point where only minor issues remain. The last RC where no critical issues have been found will then be labeled as final x.y.0 release.

And that only works, if RCs are actually tested by a large group of people.

Best
Stefan




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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Miguel Cobá
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El dom, 24-01-2010 a las 21:58 +0100, Marcus Denker escribió:

> On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:52 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Adrian: shouldn't we update http://www.pharo-project.org/home   because it says "Current status: 1.0 RC1"
> >>
> > yes, and we need to link it on the download page... there are quite some downloads per day.
> >
> > I will do that.
>
>
> Done:
>
> http://www.pharo-project.org/home

It is necessary to put a sources file download link in the pharo
download page. The dev image zip already contains it.

I think that it should be in the PharoCore section that it doesn't
contains it.

Cheers

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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Miguel Cobá
El dom, 24-01-2010 a las 18:31 -0600, Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez
escribió:

> El dom, 24-01-2010 a las 21:58 +0100, Marcus Denker escribió:
> > On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:52 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Adrian: shouldn't we update http://www.pharo-project.org/home   because it says "Current status: 1.0 RC1"
> > >>
> > > yes, and we need to link it on the download page... there are quite some downloads per day.
> > >
> > > I will do that.
> >
> >
> > Done:
> >
> > http://www.pharo-project.org/home
>
> It is necessary to put a sources file download link in the pharo
> download page. The dev image zip already contains it.
>
> I think that it should be in the PharoCore section that it doesn't
> contains it.

I was wrong. Both the dev image zip and the PharoCore zip include the
sources file. So maybe this link shouldn't appear on the download page,
just in the inria gforge page.

cheers

>
> Cheers
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Re: [Pharo-project] [update] #10507

Mariano Martinez Peck
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On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Stefan Marr <[hidden email]> wrote:
> So to explain: waiting two days until making the link on the download page: ok. We did that. Not announcing it yet. Ok,
> we will announce when it's clear it's stable. But having people download an old image without the bug-fixes by default?
> No.
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> We are already in Beta. Clearly marked. There is no need for a private, more secret special beta.
What is a Release Candidate meant for?

Well, I think, it is meant to be downloaded and tested.
After all, it is a RC, if it blows up in your face, then it is something you will report.

At least that is the way it is done in the world of PHP.

Several iterations, going from beta (for early adopters only, people living on the edge), to RCs with several iterations, where basically every one out there with a large code base is asked to test it extensively to get to a point where only minor issues remain. The last RC where no critical issues have been found will then be labeled as final x.y.0 release.

And that only works, if RCs are actually tested by a large group of people.



Ok...you convinced me. Ok...I am agree :)

Thanks Stefan

 
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